Agreed, John! Olivia "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower", Steve Jobs On Feb 14, 2011, at 10:13 AM, John Panarese wrote: > I don't recall if it was on this list, but there was a lengthy > discussion about this subject a while back when, I believe, MS Office 2008 > was released for the Mac without accessibility. The point was clearly made > through technical data that MS deliberately chose not to make the product > accessible. In fact, from my understanding, the way the framework has been > developed by Apple, you have to go out of your way to make something entirely > inaccessible. So, to say it's Apple's responsibility to make Office > accessible is completely ridiculous. Apple didn't develop the package, yet > they provided the tools for the developer, Microsoft, to make it accessible. > MS has, thus far, chosen to contradict their own claim to a commitment to > accessibility. > > Take Care > John Panarese > > On Feb 14, 2011, at 11:31 AM, Olivia Norman wrote: > >> MS has made their product accessible in their own OS? Really? Well, sure, if >> you use a third party screen reading solution I guess it's accessible. >> Apple has built the frame work, others have successfully made software, >> apps, etc, work with VO, so hopefully MS will take care of this. >> >> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower", Steve Jobs >> >> On Feb 14, 2011, at 4:40 AM, Tim Grady wrote: >> >>> I disagree with you. VO is an Apple product. Microsoft has made office >>> accessible in their operating system. I fail to see why they are >>> responsible for something Apple should be doing. >>> On Oct 30, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Olivia Norman wrote: >>> >>>> I got to play with it yesterday, and it still doesn't work, my time was >>>> limited, though, so if someone's gotten it to work, I would love to hear >>>> how. >>>> It's up to MS to fix this, but I'm not holding my breath either, as we all >>>> know they don't take accessibility as seriously as Apple does. >>>> >>>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower", Steve Jobs >>>> >>>> On Oct 30, 2010, at 4:00 AM, Bubba wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes, that is because it is up to MS to make it accessible with VO not >>>>> Apple >>>>> make VO accessible with MS office. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sign, >>>>> Bubba >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Justin Mann >>>>> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 8:39 PM >>>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Introducing Microsoft Office for Mac 2011. >>>>> >>>>> I've emailed apple accessibility on the subject, and i was referred to >>>>> microsoft for the question. >>>>> On Oct 29, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Bubba wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> They say MS did not make it accessible with VO what I hear. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sign, >>>>>> Bubba >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Russell >>>>>> Solowoniuk >>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:58 PM >>>>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Introducing Microsoft Office for Mac 2011. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I notice that Apple is announcing the release of Microsoft Office for >>>>>> Mac 2011. Any chance this version might be accessible for us VO >>>>>> users? <fingers >>>>>> >>>>>> crossed, but not holding breath> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Russell >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>>>>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>>>>>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>>>>>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>>>>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>>>>>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>>>>>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>>>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>>> >>>>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>>>>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>>>>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>>>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>>> >>>>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>>>>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>>>>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>>>> >>>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>> >>>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>>>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>>>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>>> >>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>> >>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>> >> >>> >>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>> >>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>> >>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>> > >> >> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >> >> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> >> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >