[macvoiceover] Re: Fwd: [nfbcs] Cooperative Agreement with Apple Concerning iTunes

  Jacob and Travis, excellent points, All!
Might I suggest not only writing to Apple but also perhaps some editorial comments to the news organizations whom covered this?…
Please forgive the OT below, but I'm not sure how to respond to this without being sort of OT. So for those not interested, please feel free to delete, as I respond…
I think the timing of this is seriously passive aggressive! I can't help but feel as if the NFB is trying to 'horn in' a bit on Apple's on-going efforts as it were.
I find it odd that the same people who shouted about wanting Apple to fail are now, seemingly, trying to take credit as having a hand in what Apple has been working toward over the past few years. I find this blatantly disgusting and it makes me ashamed to be a part of this so-called community.
If the NFB felt they needed to save face, so to speak, there are other friendlier ways of doing so, but as it is, this sort of behavior only serves to distance the 'blind' from the 'sighted' in my opinion.
As has been said, if I were doing something that I felt was important / helpful for a community and was treated like Apple is being treated now, all I'd want to do is run the other way as fast as possible. -And, for myself, I'd just like to add that I *have* seen this behavior from blind people before, on the microcosmic level, in the day-to-day, in the way some treat sighted people whom are trying honestly to understand their situation or humbly help them out with something. Again, I say that I feel this behavior is disgraceful and destructive.
I do understand that as VI people, we're not saints, <smile> and nor should we be expected to be, but there is a sense of common decency that I feel some of us are blind to much of the time. This, in my opinion, is one of those situations. And, I personally feel that one way of repairing this sort of thing is simply to editorialize and get other sides of this issue heard both for ourselves, and for Apple / the community as a whole, so that the picture of true users is clear. 

I do hope this made sense, and I wish all of you a great day!…

Smiles,

Cara  :)

On Sep 27, 2008, at 6:33 AM, Jacob Schmude wrote:


/* Strong Rant On */
Oh come on, as if we could've expected anything different from that belligerent cult. This isn't itself a stunt, per se, it's the result of crap the NFB has already pulled and them having to basically swallow their own waste. I bet it didn't taste good, and burned going down to boot. This cooperative agreement was about the only thing they could have done to save face, still I'm not sure why Apple even bothered with them. The best we can hope for is that they're out of the way after this, though somehow I doubt it. Let's just hope they don't have a negative impact on Voiceover--not sure about the rest of you, but I for one don't want to see Jaws for Mac and all the rest of the political baggage that would bring. And I have a guess at how much of that funding will be put to productive use and, judging by the tone of your message, I think our guesses are exactly the same. We should probably write to Apple and explain that some of us are actually grateful and respect them for what they've been doing. I don't get it, for the first time we have one of the biggest computer companies in the world going out of their way to feature accessibility and with an obvious commitment to it. And then they get idiots like the NFB, who are upset because Apple is shaking things up. They obviously want accessibility only on their terms, not accessibility in general, but that isn't surprising I suppose, it's sad though. I think we should let them know that there's a growing user base that actually applauds what they've done and aren't ingrates about it. 
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On Sep 27, 2008, at 06:14, Travis Siegel wrote:
Apple was doing just fine on their own, there was no need for this kind of nonsense. Not to mention, that 250 thousand dollars could have been used by apple to make several products accessible instead of tossing it at some belligerent organization that is so sue happy. Anybody want to take a guess at exactly how much of that money is actually going to be spent on purchasing equipment or training for the blind? 
It's things like this that make companies not want to help us.
When someone is already working to make things accessible, then something like this happens, It's no wonder there's so much inaccessible software, if I was treated this way I'd certainly not go out of my to make things work for the group who did that to me. If I'm already working to make something work for a particular group, then that group comes back and pulls a stunt like this, I'd be a whole lot less inclined to offer that group assistance in the future. 

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