[macvoiceover] Re: FW: [Webwatch] Interesting Blog Post on Macintosh Web Browsing Accessibility

tey'll get there!
On Aug 30, 2008, at 5:10 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
Too bad Nvda doesn't at least as far as i know have braille support. If it had, it would've been very interesting indeed. Please feel free to correct me on this either on- or off-list as this is slightly off-topic. 
/Krister



29 aug 2008 kl. 22.50 skrev John Hess:
an NVDA port would be very interesting. I have been using there latest release and it certainly is coming along. 
On Aug 29, 2008, at 10:24 AM, David Poehlman wrote:


Travis,
You have hit the proverbial nail on the proverbial head here. Mozilla knows exactly what they are doing and they are refusing to budge but instead, they are trying to force apple to aceed to their demands. They have apparently been successful at this with others so they are emboldened. The only issues I see here are for features currently out of scope for voiceover such as aria but apple will most likely correct those but not as soon and in the way the mozilla would want so they are pushing for open source voiceover which is not necessarily a bad thing, but not necessarily a good reason to go open source with voiceover. I suggested to mozilla that they build their own open source screen reader for the mac or that they help nvda to become cross platform if they wanted an open source screen reader but that did not get a 
good reception.


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Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: FW: [Webwatch] Interesting Blog Post on
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Accept, the problem with firefox accessibility is:
they're using 100 percent custom screen attributes. That is precisely 
why it doesn't work with voiceover.
They complain, because apple won't support them (or answer their
requests they claim).
Honestly, if I had spent hundreds of hours providing a framework, and someone contacted me, and said I can't get something working that uses your operating system, and I need help, because I can't figure out how to do it myself, and oh, by the way, we're ignoring all the hard work 
you put into making the os accessible, and doing things our own way,
I'd not be very likely to answer their requests either.
Admittedly, apple could respond, and tell them to use the provided
apis (perhaps they have and firefox just isn't saying so) but firefox should step up to the plate, and add provided accessible options where 
possible to make things usable.
Making custom screens accessible is possible, but it's a whole lot
more work than just using the apple provided items in the first place, 
especially if the custom ones perform the same function as the apple
provided ones to start with. Why build your own button where you have to add custom accessibility features (and likely miss something) when you can use the apple provided button that acts exactly the same, and 
already has the accessibility features built-in.
I see no reason why firefox *needs* to use 100 percent custom screen
elements.
Sure, in some cases, it may be necessary to get the results they want, 
but that can't possibly be true for the entire interface.
Firefox needs to meet apple halfway here, and from what I'm seeing,
that isn't happening.
But, then again, I'm not privy to *all* the communications that have
gone on between firefox and apple, so it's possible there's a lot more going on here than anyone could possibly be aware of, but regardless, 
firefox needs to make some efforts to use apple provided screen
interface elements where possible, and only use the custom items when 
the apple ones just can't be made to do what's required.
Until that happens, I'd not look for any accessibility improvements in firefox, and that's really a shame, as from what I hear, firefox is an 
excellent browser.



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