[macvoiceover] Re: Edit fields was Re: Learning the keyboard.
- From: "David Truong" <bnfiles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:05:55 +1000
Ah cool!
I see, that makes sense. Thanks for that explanation. That's an
interesting concept. I'll have to get use to that one especially when
reading. But I can see how this concept is great for editing for sure.
David Truong
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[mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Poehlman
Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 8:55 AM
To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Edit fields was Re: Learning the keyboard.
David,
you are not on a character but between characters. if you move right, the
character you hear is the one that is to your left, if you move left, that
character is on the right. In other words, if you want to write the word
who and accidentally write wo, you can do one of two things, you can move to
the end of the word and move left till you hear o and type h or you can move
to the beginning and move right till you hear w and write h. Either way,
you end up with who. to delete a character, move to its right, and hit
backspace which is called delete on a mac. if you have a new aluminum
keyboard you can press fn with backspace or delete as we call it to get a
forward delete but this can present a problem since when you move, you
always hear where you have been so if you want to delete the character a in
the word band, you start at the beginning of the word, listen to b and then
do a forward delete. Incidentally, select is done much the same as it is in
windows except that command is used instead of control. so shift with
arrows will select characters and lines, command-a selects all, command-c
copies to the clip board and command-x cuts. There's a lot more and it's
amazing how similar much of it is to windows. It is also amazing how
quickly many of have come to know and feel that it is a more efficient
interface.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Truong" <bnfiles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:41 PM
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Edit fields was Re: Learning the keyboard.
That might be so but it isn't helpful though. How does one know what
character he/she is on? I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just trying to
get a fix cause as I say, in reality when I move my left or right arrow
keys, the character I have just left is being repeated.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Poehlman
Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 8:35 AM
To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Edit fields was Re: Learning the keyboard.
this is fixed behaviour since the cursor is never on a character but between
characters when it is at rest, changing direction will repeat the character
on the way back. Note, it is helpful in that it is a more precise way of
measuring your position with respect to a character. This is not voice over
behavior but voiceover reflecting the behavior of the user interface.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Truong" <bnfiles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:23 PM
Subject: [macvoiceover] Edit fields was Re: Learning the keyboard.
HI,
Talking about edit fields, how do you set voiceover up so it doesn't repeat
the same character you have just left? For example, I will be moving across
a document in a text editor under leopard with my right and left arrow keys,
voiceover will read d a v I d as I am moving the right arrow key. That's
fine but when I move the left arrow back, it will read d even though really
I am on the I and when I move the right arrow to land on d, it will read i.
It does this through a line of text so after a while you kind've loose where
you are. This was especially annoying when I had to enter serial numbers
for my audio hijack pro and recently VmWare Fusion. Please don't tell me
that I have to gain more experience with the Mac and it is something I will
learn to get use to smile. There must be a fix.
Thanks in advance for any help on the above,
David Truong
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Schmude
Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 7:12 AM
To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Learning the keyboard.
Hi
Actually, arrows move you around in a wordprocessor just fine, along
with lists, and just about anywhere else you could use them in
windows. What might be happening to you is that the arrow keys you're
pressing simply aren't moving you anywhere, either because you're not
in a place you can use them or because there's no items for them to
move you to. An example of this would be on the desktop, if you don't
have any other drives plugged in or CDs in the drive, there's only one
icon there for the hard drive. Pressing arrow keys there with only one
icon present will give you no output, since you haven't moved anywhere.
Most of what you're used to will work (tab, arrows, etc) though they
don't always work the way you'd expect from a Windows perspective.
hth
On Apr 22, 2008, at 1:57 PM, Sara wrote:
> I don't think I've ever used the keyboard learn mode with Jaws or
> Window-Eyes.
> I think the only reason I'd use it with a mac is because I can't
> seem to just press the arrow keys to navigate around. Somebody
> please correct me if I am understanding this wrong, but from what I
> have read so far, arrow keys get a blind person nowhere. How do
> people edit text in a word processor? Do you need to use control
> option with all arrow keys all the time? I know you can lock them
> and that would help but just want to clarify. What about with the
> numpad? Can those keys be used instead of control option arrows to
> move around and have text read? I think I am missing something. It's
> probably a lot easier than it sounds. smile
> Sara
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Truong" <bnfiles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 3:50 PM
> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Learning the keyboard.
>
>
>> Hi Sara,
>>
>> Trust me, it was the first command I drummed into my head. You got
>> to love
>> keyboard learn mode on any screen reader. It is a godsend.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sara
>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 4:31 AM
>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Learning the keyboard.
>>
>> Thanks people! Sounds like a command I'll be using a lot tomorrow.
>> lol
>> Sara
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman"
<david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >
>> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:23 PM
>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Learning the keyboard.
>>
>>
>>> vo keys-k turns on keyboard help and what's really cool about it
>>> is that
>>> it
>>> even tells you what all the keys do, not just vo keys.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Reedy" <WA9DRO@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:20 PM
>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Learning the keyboard.
>>>
>>>
>>> Learning the Keyboard can be done with out interfearing with your
>>> work.
>>>
>>> Pressing VO keys-k will cause Voiceover to speak the name of each
>>> key
>>> and if you press a combination of keys, Voiceover will tell you what
>>> that combination of keys will do.
>>>
>>> Press escape to stop this function.
>>>
>>> Keith Reedy
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