[macvoiceover] Re: Edit fields was Re: Learning the keyboard.
- From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:26:35 -0400
when I move through the letter i in is, it reads the letter i no matter
which direction I move in. if I move to the right of I and hit backward
delete, I is gone. If I hit forward delete while in the same position, s is
gone. Hope this makes sense.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cara Quinn" <Cara-Quinn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:51 PM
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Edit fields was Re: Learning the keyboard.
David, you've actually got this reversed. <smile> The cursor is
announcing the character just in front of it; not the one you've just
left. I.E. in the word 'is' if you use your right arrow and read the
letter 'i' the cursor is now positioned right between the 'i' and the
's' and is now focused on the letter 's.'
So if you were to do a delete, you'd delete the letter 's.' Does
this make sense?
If you then press your left arrow once, and hear the letter 'i'
announced, your cursor is now just before the letter 'i,' having moved
back one character. So now, the letter 'i' is the letter that your
cursor is focused on.
lol! believe it or not, my roomie, who is a windows user just
confirmed this for me in MS Word, so it's quite similar.
My apologies if my previous explanation was flawed. <smile>
YOu can think of it this way. The character to the right of the
cursor, is always the one that VO will read.
HOpe this makes sense and again, have a great night!…
Smiles,
cara :)
On Apr 22, 2008, at 3:41 PM, David Truong wrote:
> That might be so but it isn't helpful though. How does one know what
> character he/she is on? I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just
> trying to
> get a fix cause as I say, in reality when I move my left or right
> arrow
> keys, the character I have just left is being repeated.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Poehlman
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 8:35 AM
> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Edit fields was Re: Learning the keyboard.
>
> this is fixed behaviour since the cursor is never on a character but
> between
>
> characters when it is at rest, changing direction will repeat the
> character
> on the way back. Note, it is helpful in that it is a more precise
> way of
> measuring your position with respect to a character. This is not
> voice over
>
> behavior but voiceover reflecting the behavior of the user interface.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Truong" <bnfiles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:23 PM
> Subject: [macvoiceover] Edit fields was Re: Learning the keyboard.
>
>
> HI,
>
> Talking about edit fields, how do you set voiceover up so it
> doesn't repeat
> the same character you have just left? For example, I will be
> moving across
> a document in a text editor under leopard with my right and left
> arrow keys,
> voiceover will read d a v I d as I am moving the right arrow key.
> That's
> fine but when I move the left arrow back, it will read d even though
> really
> I am on the I and when I move the right arrow to land on d, it will
> read i.
> It does this through a line of text so after a while you kind've
> loose where
> you are. This was especially annoying when I had to enter serial
> numbers
> for my audio hijack pro and recently VmWare Fusion. Please don't
> tell me
> that I have to gain more experience with the Mac and it is something
> I will
> learn to get use to smile. There must be a fix.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help on the above,
>
> David Truong
>
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>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Schmude
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 7:12 AM
> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Learning the keyboard.
>
> Hi
> Actually, arrows move you around in a wordprocessor just fine, along
> with lists, and just about anywhere else you could use them in
> windows. What might be happening to you is that the arrow keys you're
> pressing simply aren't moving you anywhere, either because you're not
> in a place you can use them or because there's no items for them to
> move you to. An example of this would be on the desktop, if you don't
> have any other drives plugged in or CDs in the drive, there's only one
> icon there for the hard drive. Pressing arrow keys there with only one
> icon present will give you no output, since you haven't moved
> anywhere.
> Most of what you're used to will work (tab, arrows, etc) though they
> don't always work the way you'd expect from a Windows perspective.
> hth
>
>
>
> On Apr 22, 2008, at 1:57 PM, Sara wrote:
>
>> I don't think I've ever used the keyboard learn mode with Jaws or
>> Window-Eyes.
>> I think the only reason I'd use it with a mac is because I can't
>> seem to just press the arrow keys to navigate around. Somebody
>> please correct me if I am understanding this wrong, but from what I
>> have read so far, arrow keys get a blind person nowhere. How do
>> people edit text in a word processor? Do you need to use control
>> option with all arrow keys all the time? I know you can lock them
>> and that would help but just want to clarify. What about with the
>> numpad? Can those keys be used instead of control option arrows to
>> move around and have text read? I think I am missing something. It's
>> probably a lot easier than it sounds. smile
>> Sara
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Truong"
>> <bnfiles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>>>
>> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 3:50 PM
>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Learning the keyboard.
>>
>>
>>> Hi Sara,
>>>
>>> Trust me, it was the first command I drummed into my head. You got
>>> to love
>>> keyboard learn mode on any screen reader. It is a godsend.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sara
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 4:31 AM
>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Learning the keyboard.
>>>
>>> Thanks people! Sounds like a command I'll be using a lot tomorrow.
>>> lol
>>> Sara
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman"
> <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:23 PM
>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Learning the keyboard.
>>>
>>>
>>>> vo keys-k turns on keyboard help and what's really cool about it
>>>> is that
>>>> it
>>>> even tells you what all the keys do, not just vo keys.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Reedy" <WA9DRO@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:20 PM
>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Learning the keyboard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Learning the Keyboard can be done with out interfearing with your
>>>> work.
>>>>
>>>> Pressing VO keys-k will cause Voiceover to speak the name of each
>>>> key
>>>> and if you press a combination of keys, Voiceover will tell you
>>>> what
>>>> that combination of keys will do.
>>>>
>>>> Press escape to stop this function.
>>>>
>>>> Keith Reedy
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