[macvoiceover] Re: Edit fields was Re: Learning the keyboard.
- From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:15:06 -0400
right, s comes after i so i would be deleted in any instance.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ewers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:14 AM
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Edit fields was Re: Learning the keyboard.
Kara, I'll have to do more playing with this. I just had my sighted wife
look at MS Word and when I was positioned before the letter "I" on the
screen and pressed delete, the I was deleted, and not the S. We tried this
with and without JAWS and what she saw was no different. Don't
misunderstand my motives here. I'm not disagreeing with you, but I want to
get to bottom of the very hard to explain little oddity.
Have a good evening.
Neal
-----Original Message-----
From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:43 PM
To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Edit fields was Re: Learning the keyboard.
Actually I am, as I've just verified it with my sighted roomie to make
sure, yet again! lol! What I was referring to though, is the way the
cursor behaves for a sighted user, and, as I've mentioned, this behavior is
altered for the VI user; thus the behavior you mention.
Apologies once again for any confusion.
Have a great night!.
Smiles,
Cara :)
On Mac, as in Windows, pressing the
On Apr 22, 2008, at 8:16 PM, Neal Ewers wrote:
> Hi, you're right with respect to the Mac, but not with respect to
> Windows.
> In Windows, if you arrow to a character and press delete, the
> character you last heard when arrowing will be deleted.
>
> Neal
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:52 PM
> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Edit fields was Re: Learning the keyboard.
>
> David, you've actually got this reversed. <smile> The cursor is
> announcing the character just in front of it; not the one you've just
> left.
> I.E. in the word 'is' if you use your right arrow and read the letter
> 'i'
> the cursor is now positioned right between the 'i' and the 's' and is
> now focused on the letter 's.'
>
> So if you were to do a delete, you'd delete the letter 's.' Does
> this make sense?
>
> If you then press your left arrow once, and hear the letter 'i'
> announced, your cursor is now just before the letter 'i,' having moved
> back one character. So now, the letter 'i' is the letter that your
> cursor is focused on.
>
> lol! believe it or not, my roomie, who is a windows user just
> confirmed this for me in MS Word, so it's quite similar.
>
> My apologies if my previous explanation was flawed. <smile>
>
> YOu can think of it this way. The character to the right of the
> cursor, is always the one that VO will read.
>
> HOpe this makes sense and again, have a great night!.
>
> Smiles,
>
> cara :)
>
>
> On Apr 22, 2008, at 3:41 PM, David Truong wrote:
>
>> That might be so but it isn't helpful though. How does one know what
>> character he/she is on? I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just
>> trying to get a fix cause as I say, in reality when I move my left or
>> right arrow keys, the character I have just left is being repeated.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David
>> Poehlman
>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 8:35 AM
>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Edit fields was Re: Learning the
>> keyboard.
>>
>> this is fixed behaviour since the cursor is never on a character but
>> between
>>
>> characters when it is at rest, changing direction will repeat the
>> character on the way back. Note, it is helpful in that it is a more
>> precise way of measuring your position with respect to a character.
>> This is not voice over
>>
>> behavior but voiceover reflecting the behavior of the user interface.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Truong" <bnfiles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:23 PM
>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Edit fields was Re: Learning the keyboard.
>>
>>
>> HI,
>>
>> Talking about edit fields, how do you set voiceover up so it doesn't
>> repeat the same character you have just left? For example, I will be
>> moving across a document in a text editor under leopard with my right
>> and left arrow keys, voiceover will read d a v I d as I am moving the
>> right arrow key.
>> That's
>> fine but when I move the left arrow back, it will read d even though
>> really I am on the I and when I move the right arrow to land on d, it
>> will read i.
>> It does this through a line of text so after a while you kind've
>> loose where you are. This was especially annoying when I had to
>> enter serial numbers for my audio hijack pro and recently VmWare
>> Fusion.
>> Please don't tell me that I have to gain more experience with the Mac
>> and it is something I will learn to get use to smile. There must be
>> a fix.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help on the above,
>>
>> David Truong
>>
>> EMail and Messenger:
>> davidtruong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> Skype: blindboxer1967
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Schmude
>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 7:12 AM
>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Learning the keyboard.
>>
>> Hi
>> Actually, arrows move you around in a wordprocessor just fine, along
>> with lists, and just about anywhere else you could use them in
>> windows. What might be happening to you is that the arrow keys you're
>> pressing simply aren't moving you anywhere, either because you're not
>> in a place you can use them or because there's no items for them to
>> move you to. An example of this would be on the desktop, if you don't
>> have any other drives plugged in or CDs in the drive, there's only
>> one icon there for the hard drive. Pressing arrow keys there with
>> only one icon present will give you no output, since you haven't
>> moved anywhere.
>> Most of what you're used to will work (tab, arrows, etc) though they
>> don't always work the way you'd expect from a Windows perspective.
>> hth
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 22, 2008, at 1:57 PM, Sara wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think I've ever used the keyboard learn mode with Jaws or
>>> Window-Eyes.
>>> I think the only reason I'd use it with a mac is because I can't
>>> seem to just press the arrow keys to navigate around. Somebody
>>> please correct me if I am understanding this wrong, but from what I
>>> have read so far, arrow keys get a blind person nowhere. How do
>>> people edit text in a word processor? Do you need to use control
>>> option with all arrow keys all the time? I know you can lock them
>>> and that would help but just want to clarify. What about with the
>>> numpad? Can those keys be used instead of control option arrows to
>>> move around and have text read? I think I am missing something. It's
>>> probably a lot easier than it sounds. smile Sara
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Truong"
>>> <bnfiles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>>>
>>> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 3:50 PM
>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Learning the keyboard.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Sara,
>>>>
>>>> Trust me, it was the first command I drummed into my head. You got
>>>> to love keyboard learn mode on any screen reader. It is a godsend.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sara
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 4:31 AM
>>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Learning the keyboard.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks people! Sounds like a command I'll be using a lot tomorrow.
>>>> lol
>>>> Sara
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman"
>> <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:23 PM
>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Learning the keyboard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> vo keys-k turns on keyboard help and what's really cool about it
>>>>> is that it even tells you what all the keys do, not just vo keys.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Reedy"
>>>>> <WA9DRO@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:20 PM
>>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Learning the keyboard.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Learning the Keyboard can be done with out interfearing with your
>>>>> work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pressing VO keys-k will cause Voiceover to speak the name of each
>>>>> key and if you press a combination of keys, Voiceover will tell
>>>>> you what that combination of keys will do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Press escape to stop this function.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keith Reedy
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