[macvoiceover] Re: Apples unnecessary gathering of data in the cloud

Same problem
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Panarese" <jpanarese@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:39 AM
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Apples unnecessary gathering of data in the cloud
OK, if you don't want to use an Apple account, don't use it. Paranoia is paranoia, but it has nothing to do with VoiceOver or this list. Also, you don't have to have a credit card set up. I use Paypal. 

Take Care

John Panarese
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On Jul 19, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Claus Thøgersen wrote:
Ask Sony if they did not think of there servers with all the playstation user data secure until they were not.
Data will be stolen at some point in time. Especially in the US credit card theft is a big business lesser so in Europe, but if I were a hacker I would go after millions of credit card numbers instead of thousands. I shop in many places online, both in Denmark, UK and the US, and Only in 1 other instance, my ISP want to have my card data, because they automate payments in order to keep cost downl. 

Claus
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricardo Walker" <rwalker296@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:15 AM
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Apples unnecessary gathering of data in the cloud
I'm not an apple fanatic. I never even said the system wasn't flawed. I just object to wishing something bad happens just to prove a point. Most people are going to purchase an app from time to time so don't mind having their card info there for convenience sake. I'm confused to why you find it so insecure besides it defaulting to something you rather not do. 

Ricardo Walker
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On Jul 19, 2011, at 7:03 PM, Claus Thøgersen wrote:
Well it is true you can if you really know what you are doing, setup an acount without a credit card, but it is for sure not the default you get from apple.
If you create the id in the normal way Apple test your credit card number, your address as stated on the card, and you may be able to invent your phonenumber I have not tested it. I have used about 4 weeks to be allowed access to downloading free apps, simply because 1 letter was typed in incorrectlyin my streetname in the web registration for my apple id. Every new device you download apps to you have to reenter the credit card number, at least some fields e.g. the card number is entered by the system but only the last 4 digits shown.
I know that religious apple fanatics take it as a personal insult when some of us point out less smart Apple performance. This behavior is obviously a security risk. On another note, the process of setting up and verifying the Apple id is very Inaccessable. The sound capchas like everywhere else is almost unusable for anything other than wasting blind users time.
Why do I want the Apple servers to get hacked. Obvious it is the only way Apple is going to change this behavior. No mattter how many mails users are sending nothing will change. Money speaks here as always. 

Claus
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricardo Walker" <rwalker296@xxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 12:43 AM
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Apples unnecessary gathering of data in the cloud 


All right,
I will have to place this in the stupid comment folder I have set up. Why would you hope something bad happens just to prove your apprehensions correct. Sigh. :(. Ok. First, you don't actually need a credit card to use the app store or iTunes or, to set up an Apple ID. Second, since the first is the case, if your so paranoid, you can just lie about your personal information. I doubt Apple will recruit the services of the police to verify the information. I swear, I will never understand posts like this. You don't like something or, you just feel its not safe or secure, so you hope bad stuff happens to people just to get some point across. How narcissistic. 

Ricardo Walker
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www.mobileaccess.org



On Jul 19, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Claus Thøgersen wrote:
Everybody that dislikes and distrusts the cloud, should really consider cancelling your Apple Id. Why do apple want my credit card number, my address, country and phone, even if I do only want to transfer free apps tomy Iphone. It is one of the most unnecessary bridge of security I know o among the big IT companies. I hope some time the Apple Id servers wil be hacked so Apple can find out what basic security is. They are going to pay for all the lost credit cards and any money stolen from the hacked card numbers. 

Claus
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricardo Walker" <rwalker296@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 12:11 AM
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: installing lion on a clean way, when it come out :) 


Everything is a risk on the internet.
That doesn't stop many people from using credit cards and entering there social security numbers on web sites. Its all relative. Its possible a service could be compromised of course. But I don't think the chances are all that high. You probably have a better chance of being robbed for your laptop with all your sensitive information stored on that. lol. 

JMO.

.Ricardo Walker
rwalker296@xxxxxxxxx
Twitter, Skype, & AIM: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org



On Jul 19, 2011, at 1:08 PM, James Dean wrote:
The cloud is a major security risk. I absolutely refuse to use it. If the cloud gets hacked, despite apple's efforts to prevent it, all that sensitive data will be available for said hackers, and I strongly discourage doing this. Get some external media and be done with it. The cloud, while a great idea, is asking for trouble. 

James A. Dean


On Jul 19, 2011, at 7:59 AM, VaShaun Jones wrote:
Being in the position that I'm in I can't talk allot but what I can say is that Apple is trying to get people away from the whole clean install thing and have you to trust them for the upgrades. Not all apps will work properly but the main ones like Super Duper will along with other major software titles. Resetta based apps surely will not work. You should always have a bootable backup an exact clone of your hard drive at all times and Time Machine is not really a good solution for backup concerns when real consideration to data protection and preservation is concerned. It is like the AOL of backup. You should have 3 backups, on two different types of media and 1 should be in the cloud. Never the less all should be fine for you my good friend. 

VaShaun Jones
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On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:37 AM, William Windels wrote:


Hello ,
Lion is coming soon and, most of us are looking forward to it.
I had just some thoughts about a clean install of lion , started from my snow leopard install on my macbook.
After buying the installer from the macstore and the start of the install, I should chose to do a install with or without erasing me disc. I think, It seems the safest and cleanest way to erase the whole disc and install lion on a blank disc. 
(I have a working time-machine backup).

But, here are my questions after the blank install:
1. Is it necessary to have all install-packages from the software I would like to have on my lion (software from apple or not)? Or can I just copy the program-packages from the programs-folder in my time-machine? 2. about compatibility: Should all programs that are no on my macbook work on lion? 3. If I chose to erase my disc before install, I will lose bookmarks, addressbook-contents and soma other contents and I don't know how to get it back without to much tricks. 

Perhaps, for a first trial , it should be better not to remove my hd?


This are my thoughts,
Any comments, suggestions or perhaps more questions, are very welcome. 

best regards,
William Windels



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