Hi Dave, This should work, I'll look into it. it may be a mouse only trick. try if you have a mouse can't remember what ya got, a track pad? in any case, if a track pad, hold control and click while sitting on the date column and see if you get a menu. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Truong" <bnfiles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:44 AM Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Apple Mail query again. HI Dave, I haven't been able to get this to work as yet. When you say click in the date area, do you mean open up the message and find the date and click or do you mean interacting with the message list and navigating your way to a date column and clicking? I have tried both and I bring mouse to voice over cursor with vo-command f5 then I do a vo+shift+space to mouse click on the date. Nothing happens as yet. Thanks again for your help, David Truong EMail and Messenger: davidtruong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Skype: blindboxer1967 -----Original Message----- From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Poehlman Sent: Wednesday, 14 May 2008 11:13 AM To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Apple Mail query again. Hi Dave, I just wrote this on a different thread but will put it here for the sake of completness. just mouse click at the top of the date column wher the date resides and it should flip the sort order. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Truong" <bnfiles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 7:56 PM Subject: [macvoiceover] Apple Mail query again. Hi Everyone, Well unfortunately, I haven't found an alternative to Apple Mail. It's a pity as I'm loving this Mac Pro but can't use it for mail the way I want it. I've tried Eudora 8 beta for the Mac, no go, bloody inaccessible for sure. Just for an example, when I opened up the Eudora application to see how accessible it would be, it just brought up a dialogue and there was nothing to be accessed in that. Even the good old item chooser didn't give anything. The menus did no good as most stuff that would be useful was dimmed. Ah well, that's Eudora gone. Then I tried thunderbird, equally just as inaccessible. I opened that up only to be shown a dialogue box with some sort of a scroll bar and no matter how much ai explored with the vo nav commands, that's all I got. I used the item chooser and it told me 36 items in the list but guess what, they were all scroll bars and dimmed to boot. How strange. So it looks like Apple mail has to be my Email program. So, my query is, can Apple mail show messages where the most recent message is at the top of the message list rather than at the bottom of the message list? I've looked in all of the options that I know of and menus etc but I can't find any preference item which would allow me to change the default behaviour of the most recent message being shown at the bottom of the message list. That of course doesn't mean this can't be configured smile. So if you know please let me know. I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance, David Truong EMail and Messenger: davidtruong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Skype: blindboxer1967 > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >