[mac4theblind] Re: what do we do about productivity on the Mac?
- From: Sarah Alawami <marrie12@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 14:57:55 -0700
No but you can contact the nfb maybe by cooling there bultimore office. I don't
have that number although I should have it memorized by now ll!
take care.
On Sep 1, 2011, at 1:41 PM, Justin Harford wrote:
> Anyone got the phone of the National Organization of Blind Spaniards?
> El 01-09-2011, a las 13:38, Bubba escribió:
>
>> You might have appoint. But other than writing them as a individual I don't
>> think there is much we can do unless there is a blind billion nare out there
>> somewhere!
>>
>>
>> Sign,
>> Bubba
>> bubbathegeek@xxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Hilbert
>> Poehlman
>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 4:32 PM
>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: what do we do about productivity on the Mac?
>>
>> once upon a time, computers were made to talk. The speech was slow and
>> horrible and hugely expensive. Even though they could talk, they were not
>> used in the workplace because the estamblishment at the time did not want to
>> bare the cost and the software was not accessible to the talking computer.
>>
>> Then along came software that made it possible for the workplace products to
>> be made accessible and all of a sudden, we had employers willing to accept
>> these talking computer product in the work place because they ran the tools
>> of the office.
>>
>> Now, on the mac we have a similar situation. Employers will not use other
>> tools just for the sake of accessibility no matter how good they are.
>>
>> I agree that it would be a positive step for iwork to be accessible but
>> microsoft office on the mac *needs* to be accessible if employers are going
>> to take voice over in the work place seriously.
>>
>> On Sep 1, 2011, at 4:19 PM, Bubba wrote:
>>
>> That is why we should focus on getting Apple to make I Work a high-end
>> productivity tool and focus on getting Mac in place of windows machines and
>> away from MS office. Then these people that is blind would not have to worry
>> about if they could use office or not. I just think let's take a different
>> approach then trying to get MS to make something accessible when I don't
>> think they really care as they all ready know we want it accessible and they
>> have not budge on it. It will take a large organization with lots of money
>> to take them to court and get them to make it accessible and believe me it
>> would take lots of money and time. JMT
>>
>>
>> Sign,
>> Bubba
>> bubbathegeek@xxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Hilbert
>> Poehlman
>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 4:09 PM
>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: what do we do about productivity on the Mac?
>>
>> I'm not worried about the mac user. I'm worried about the majority of
>> employers who will not hire blind mac users because they cannot use
>> microsoft office for mac.
>>
>> On Sep 1, 2011, at 4:05 PM, Bubba wrote:
>>
>> Yes, and not saying that Mac is not gaining in the work force. I think they
>> are and that is why I say let's forget MS and focus on Apple and it office
>> suite and making it a high end productivity tool and as accessible as it can
>> get. Then Mac user would not have to worry about MS. I say if this gets done
>> and then focus on getting government and enterprise business to pick up the
>> Mac in place of their windows machine. JSMT
>>
>>
>> Sign,
>> Bubba
>> bubbathegeek@xxxxxxxxx
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John G
>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:59 PM
>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: what do we do about productivity on the Mac?
>>
>> macs are also very popular in academia. Several of my colleagues use
>> them, and very few, in fact, I can't think of any, who use MS office.
>>
>> John
>>
>> At 20:49 01/09/2011, you wrote:
>>> Fortunately, this is changing. Particularly over the last 2
>>> years, the halo effect of the iPad and iPhone has been leading
>>> enterprise away from Windows and Office. In fact, having little to
>>> do with Apple, Office is becoming a dying dinosaur. Google docs
>>> and third party office developers who offer free or low cost office
>>> suites are starting to hurt Microsoft significantly.
>>>
>>> As the fortune 500 companies go, the rest of the business
>>> world goes. Something like 85 percent are using iPhones and iPads
>>> and 40 percent are deploying Macs in the work place. Yes, in the
>>> "big picture" at the moment, Windows dominates the enterprise
>>> market, but that is chaining and changing faster than a lot of
>>> people realize. Read up on recent trends and you'll see that Apple
>>> is not the only company Microsoft is losing market share to.
>>>
>>> As for MS and accessibility, the more pressure put on them, the
>>> more likely they will have to deal with accessibility. Enough
>>> black eyes given in the media and a few publicized lawsuits will go
>>> a long way. And I am not one who advocates using legal channels at
>>> every turn either. Will the NFB ever step up to take action in this area?
>>>
>>>
>>> Take Care
>>>
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>>
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 1, 2011, at 3:35 PM, Bubba wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, if you have a Mac you can run boot camp and put windows on
>>> it. Also you
>>>> can use a windows machine. NO you cannot wish it to happen. But that is
>>>> about all your hope is with MS making office on the Mac accessible to
>> us.
>>>> Making MS accessible on the Mac really has nothing to do with the work
>>>> place. Especially government if you are working with the government. Or
>> for
>>>> that matter most of private enterprise goes. They use mostly
>>> Windows machine
>>>> with MS office and if you want a Job you will learn to use windows
>> machine
>>>> with windows screen reader and MS office. I don't see MS anytime
>>> soon making
>>>> office on the Mac accessible. Like it or not 90 percent of the PC users
>> are
>>>> Windows users. We are a very small part of that 90 percent and even less
>> of
>>>> the other 10 percent that uses other OS. If anything I think we should
>>>> encourage Apple to make I work more accessible and more like the MS
>> office
>>>> as a very good production tool. This in my thoughts would be the best is
>> to
>>>> use what is already accessible to us and build on it. But this is my
>>>> thoughts and it really to me sound like you are just PO with MS about
>> not
>>>> making MS office on the Mac accessible. I would like it to be this would
>> be
>>>> great but it would not be a deal breaker or would it stop me in my
>> present
>>>> job or getting another job. If I needed windows and a windows screen
>> reader
>>>> and Ms office for the Job and I really wanted the job then I would foot
>> the
>>>> bill or get help footing the bill and do what it took and not cry and
>> all
>>>> about it. I not asking for a hand out or anything I am happy for
>> anything I
>>>> can get and any help I can get but when it comes down to it I have me to
>>>> rely on not hoping for something that more than likely not going to
>> happen.
>>>> So write MS about it I don't think it will do any good. Now this is all
>> I
>>>> have to say about this. JMT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sign,
>>>> Bubba
>>>> bubbathegeek@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Hilbert
>>>> Poehlman
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:03 PM
>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: what do we do about productivity on the Mac?
>>>>
>>>> You cannot do that in the work place, this is not mac accessibility. we
>>>> cannot stand by and "wish".
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 1, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Bubba wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I agree and wish they would do it. But till they do then will have
>> to
>>>> use either a windows machine or do boot camp and run windows on the Mac
>> and
>>>> use a Windows screen reader either paid or free like NVDA .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sign,
>>>> Bubba
>>>> bubbathegeek@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Hilbert
>>>> Poehlman
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 2:28 PM
>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: what do we do about productivity on the mac?
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft office needs to be made accessible because it is too
>>> entrenched in
>>>> the corporate world to ignore and as long as it can be used on other
>>>> platforms accessibly, blind folks using the mac will be left out in the
>>>> cold. Serious productivity in the workplace cannot move forward
>>> without it.
>>>>
>>>> Iwork leaves a lot to be desired even without accessibility
>> considerations.
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 1, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Actually we all contacted Microsoft on there page regarding microsoft
>> for
>>>> the mac in late 2007 or 8, and they just shrugged os off. Same thing
>>>> happened with Microsoft for the mac this year when they came out
>>> with a new
>>>> version. I'm not one normally to give up but I am in this case as I'm
>> not
>>>> willing to pay over $400 for something I can get for $20 or less at the
>>>> M.A.S If pages and numbers were made a bit more useable, and I think it
>>>> will, I think we can have the equivalent of a product for a lot less of
>> the
>>>> price.
>>>> On Sep 1, 2011, at 9:07 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I remember the days before accessibility when computers were just black
>>>> boxes to us and how long and tortuous the road to accessibility was. We
>>>> live in a similar time but the difference is that at least some
>>>> accessibility is already in place. That accessibility though is old and
>>>> tired and even though it's been bandaided and patched, sooner or later,
>> it
>>>> will no longer serve so we need to be certain that accessibility
>> continues
>>>> and this is where the mac comes in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some say that ios or some other similar tiny platform will rule the day
>>>> and although may eventually be the case, we still have a gap that needs
>> to
>>>> be filled and in these days of a shrinking economy and dwindling
>> resources,
>>>> a golden opportunity exists for mac os to shine forth in accessibility.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 1, 2011, at 11:32 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Just us chickens. we need to generate interest in examining
>> applications
>>>> and reporting findings to developpers mainly in the cases of iwork and
>>>> office to apple and microsoft respectively.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 1, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Gaylen Floy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What course of action is available to us? Is there an affiliate of the
>> two
>>>>> consumer organizations that tackles this kind of problem?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gaylen Floy, Federal Way, Washington
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> spreadsheets and documents and presentations, oh my!
>>>>>
>>>>> Many blind folk are successfully employed for performing tasks which
>>>> involve
>>>>> the above and have been for many years. Few if any though are using
>> the
>>>> mac
>>>>> for many reasons but I want to focus on moving forward in areas in
>> which
>>>> we
>>>>> can move forward and to focus your attention and seek your assistance
>> with
>>>>> those.
>>>>>
>>>>> We need gallant folk to step up to Microsoft and shout out that office
>>>> needs
>>>>> to be made accessible in order that the market for blind employees will
>> be
>>>>> wider. To do this, folk must provide concrete detailed and factual
>>>>> information about the issues of using Microsoft office on the mac. You
>>>> can
>>>>> even find some good stuff that is already written and submit it to
>> them.
>>>> I
>>>>> don't have a handle on the Microsoft stream and cannot purchase the
>>>> product
>>>>> so cannot help directly but am willing to help in any other way I can.
>>>>>
>>>>> We need to provide solid feedback to apple on issues related to IWork
>> from
>>>> a
>>>>> productivity standpoint. Some employers will be willing to accept a
>> blind
>>>>> person with a mac since we can export office formats and they would be
>>>>> willing to mix systems if they are able.
>>>>>
>>>>> We need to locate employers willing to work with us and rehab or other
>>>>> agencies who are willing to take on the challenge if for nothing less
>> than
>>>>> the potential cost savings.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that there are a myriad of issues which we face with regard to
>> this
>>>>> ultimate goal of prominent positioning of mac in the work place of the
>>>>> blind, but if we work together, perhaps we can move forward and provide
>>>>> assistance in this important effort.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that there are efforts ongoing at apple and lots of feedback
>> coming
>>>>> to them which they are paying attention to and which is helping to
>> guide
>>>>> them toward better accessibility. I'd like though to discuss
>> experiences
>>>>> and desires and perhaps translate some of those into meaningful dialog
>>>> with
>>>>> apple and microsoft.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope you will attend to this important topic with me and I hope I've
>> not
>>>>> overstepped any bounds as an unintended consequence of this letter.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jonnie Appleseed
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>>>>> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>>>>> reducing technology's disabilities
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