I think it was here that it was asked how to get to the top and bottom of a document using pages. command-up and down arrow does indeed work but there is no feedback to indicate this unless you arrow to find out where you are. You get more info with vo and the command I listed in the other message shift-fn-left and right arrow does a nice job of providing feedback. -- Jonnie Appleseed with his Hands-On Technolog(eye)s reducing technology's disabilities one byte at a time ************ You are subscribed to the mac4theblind mailing list. The url for this list, where one can unsubscribe or make any changes to their list subscription is: //www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind The list archive is located at //www.freelists.org/archive/mac4theblind/ All emails intended for the list owner can be sent to: john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx