[mac4theblind] Re: [macbledtheblind] 3rd party browser and email accessibility, as well as some other thoughts. was Re: Firefox compatibility with Voiceover

  • From: David Hilbert Poehlman <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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  • Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 11:47:27 -0400

Actually, clean refers to emptying cache folders and the like.  When was the 
last time you went to the safari menu in safari and executed the empty cache 
command for instance?

I get an occasional safari busy on my macbook pro 13 inch with 8 mb of ram and 
an 500 mb hd with a 2.6 ghz core two duo but more on my less powerful systems.  
I have a good internet connection though most of the time.

On Sep 6, 2011, at 11:00 AM, Justin Harford wrote:

Well absolutely. If I issue (left+right arrow) quicknav will not turn on. Yep 
there just proved it. The thing about it is that I am describing a bug that I 
constantly noticed in SL and associated with qn, since it started when apple 
implemented qn, and since the qn short cut command would momentarily fix it. 

When I come to think of it I never really had a very positive opinion of qn, 
but on a more positive note, I have a macbook with small uncomfortable arrow 
keys and it made qn feel really slow, but when I was using a desktop unit I 
found that it worked a lot nicer and was actually a godsend with the windows 
keyboard that had the option and command keys reversed. 

My macbook is a 2008 model I think. It has a 320 gb hard drive apart from the 
other specs mentioned. I remember you mentioned that a clean install can 
sometimes be what the doctor ordered. It sure is a good idea, and I resorted to 
it when I updated to SL. However in the end I noticed the exact same bugs even 
after I had gone in the disk utility and erased my entire hard drive, doing a 
clean install of SL over it. I think I'll try it again here perhaps some day, 
but it just doesn't seem worth rushing into it, given the luck we have had with 
it in the past. 

Regards
Justin Harford 
El 06-09-2011, a las 7:51, David Hilbert Poehlman escribió:

> I wonder if it is actually disabled because for me, quicknav is totally dead 
> when I check that box.
> 
> On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Justin Harford wrote:
> 
> Lol I actually tried to disable quicknav. I was excited when I saw the option 
> to disable that quick key stroke. It does sometimes still try to activate 
> itself, basically causing the computer to react strangely to certain 
> commands, moving left and right character by character when I press the up 
> and down arrows for it to go line by line. As in the days of SL, pressing the 
> quicknav activate command (left + right arrow) fixes this, even though I 
> disabled that command. 
> El 06-09-2011, a las 7:42, David Hilbert Poehlman escribió:
> 
>> are you somehow using quicknav?
>> 
>> On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Justin Harford wrote:
>> 
>> I actually experience this too. I have 4 gb of ram with 2.1 ghz. I am 
>> running lion. I sometimes had these problems under SL too, but they are 
>> definitely more acute under Lion. Resetting VO sometimes resolves the 
>> problem. Reloading the page hardly ever fixes anything anymore. And ever 
>> since I am using Lion, it will do this thing where all the elements of the 
>> page become invisible to VO, I cannot tab around at all, and I I have to use 
>> VO keys, but since VO can't see the web elements, all the short cut keys 
>> don't work. This doesn't get fixed until I close the window, open a new one 
>> and paste the address in. 
>> 
>> Justin 
>> 
>> El 06-09-2011, a las 5:44, David Hilbert Poehlman escribió:
>> 
>>> I suspect a couple of things here.  First, are you running lion or sl?  
>>> Next, what is your computer model?  How much ram? how big a hard drive and 
>>> how full is it?  What are you using for internet for instance, dsl or 
>>> cable?  Have you contacted apple and if not, when you do, supply this 
>>> information.
>>> 
>>> Sometimes, all things being equal, things become corrupted and a good 
>>> system cleaning can resolve a lot of issues as Marcy knows.
>>> 
>>> I've not seen this in the thread so if it has come up, just ignore this but 
>>> does turning vo off and back on resolve the issue temporarily?  also, have 
>>> you tried reloading the page?  I found in sl that I had more issues with 
>>> group than dom mode.
>>> 
>>> On Sep 6, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Peggy wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, my computer does the same thing with Safari. A lot of times I have to 
>>> unplug my computer and take the battery out to get it to stop.
>>> Peggy and Patty
>>> 
>>> On Mon Sep 5th, 2011 11:51 PM EDT Valiant8086 wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi.
>>>> After reading about it I tried Lightning, and I think it's somewhat 
>>>> nice. I'm hoping I find something I really like sometime, because on my 
>>>> mac, Safari is very busy most of the time, and as it is right now I'm 
>>>> much better off just using internet explorer on my other computers or 
>>>> the web browser on my Nokia E5 rofl! Does anybody know if there is 
>>>> something I can do to have safari not be so busy? Sometimes it will even 
>>>> do this thing where it will say safari, busy, then it will say busy 3 or 
>>>> 4 times, then it will say safari, ready. About 3 seconds later, it will 
>>>> repeat the whole process and it will continue this indefinitely until I 
>>>> turn voice over off and back on.
>>>> 
>>>> Speaking of voice over working with non built in alternatives like 
>>>> Firefox as aposed to safari, I sure wish Thunderbird worked on the mac, 
>>>> or does it, and I just couldn't figure it out when I tried it. Does 
>>>> anyone know of a simpler mail client than mail that works with imap and 
>>>> might be a little quicker to use? I get lots of email, and could use any 
>>>> chance I could get to speed up my reading of emails. Hmm, if Voice over 
>>>> works somewhat with Opera, I wonder if that means it works with Opera's 
>>>> email too? I just might have to give that a try. What little tiny bit I 
>>>> got to see of Opera on windows really impressed me, but about all I 
>>>> could learn about it was that it started like way fast.
>>>> 
>>>> Right now I can only speed myself up so much, because I can't seem to 
>>>> understand any synthesizers that are sped up very much at all except for 
>>>> eloquence. Ironically, I do much better with Scan soft tom on my mac 
>>>> than with Alex, but that's not saying much. I know people can use Alex 
>>>> pretty fast, I've heard them over Skype, but I'm just like, huh?
>>>> 
>>>> Oh, I have another question born out of curiosity. On my 11 inch mac 
>>>> book air, the late 2010 model with the 1.4ghz core2duo and a 60gb ssd, I 
>>>> found that when I updated to lion, instead of improving performance, it 
>>>> actually worsened. That is to say, Alex was noticeably less responsive 
>>>> in every way when I navigated around my mac. But I happily discovered 
>>>> when I got my realSpeak voices installed and going that they were 
>>>> actually more responsive than Alex ever was on my Macbook air. But a 
>>>> friend of mine with his Macbook pro says Tom on his is actually rather 
>>>> slow compared to Alex in terms of responsiveness. I wondered if anybody 
>>>> knows why that is? I'm thinking maybe it has something to do with the 
>>>> fact his mac book pro has a standard hard drive, while mine has a solid 
>>>> state. Maybe Tom is more reliant on the hardware's ability to quickly 
>>>> read the speech database from the disk than Alex is.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyway, I realize this message is off topic mostly from the discussion 
>>>> to which I replied, so I'll go ahead and give it my own subject. I don't 
>>>> usually write like this, but I wanted to get my thoughts off in one 
>>>> shot  so I can go to bed without having to write several emails.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.13 portable.
>>>> 
>>>> On 9/4/2011 12:54 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:
>>>>> Hi all, thanks for all your comments I find it's a shame that firefox 
>>>>> doesn't work with voiceover but that's how it is I suppose. Hopefully 
>>>>> one day It will though!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>> 
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "John Panarese" <jpanarese@xxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 3:18 AM
>>>>> To: <mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Firefox compatibility with Voiceover
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've only used Lightning browser.  It's very fast.  The interface 
>>>>>> is a little different than Safari, but it is a nice browser.  I am 
>>>>>> gong to try Omni Web soon.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Take Care
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>>>> Director
>>>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>>>> john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>>>>> MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2011, at 10:07 PM, Bubba wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The last one I have heard of . yes, what is your input on the other 
>>>>>>> ones?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bubba
>>>>>>> bubbathegeek@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John G
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 9:26 PM
>>>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Firefox compatibility with Voiceover
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Have you any more info on the opera situation, John?
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> At 02:18 03/09/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>>> Lightning Browser and Omni Web from the App store.  I hear Opera
>>>>>>>> is on its way to being accessible.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Take Care
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>>>>>> Director
>>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>>>>>> john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND
>>>>>>>> SUPPORT
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2011, at 6:56 PM, Bubba wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Is there any other browser other than Safari that works with Vo?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Bubba
>>>>>>>>> bubbathegeek@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David
>>>>>>>>> Hilbert Poehlman
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 5:57 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Firefox compatabilty with Voiceover
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi all, as my subject says, I was just wondering about the
>>>>>>>>> accessibility of Voiceover with firefox on the Mac OS X. By this I
>>>>>>>>> mean can VO users use Firefox instead of using safari and if not,
>>>>>>>>> what's the news on
>>>>>>>> building this
>>>>>>>>> into firefox and VO Users?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I realise that this might be old news to VO Users or it might of
>>>>>>>>> been covered loads of time before but I don't own a Mac and I am
>>>>>>>> interested in if
>>>>>>>>> there has been any development in this Web Browser with
>>>>>>>> Voiceover. What with
>>>>>>>>> the new Mac OS Lion just recently out. Is there any hope for Vo
>>>>>>>> Users in the
>>>>>>>>> future to be able to use the Firefox Web Browser? I also ask
>>>>>>>> because I don't
>>>>>>>>> own a Mac and am keane to know what choices I have should the
>>>>>>>> time come when
>>>>>>>>> I might get one.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Many Thanks
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> Jonnie Appleseed
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>>>>>>>>> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
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