[mac4theblind] Re: [macbledtheblind] 3rd party browser and email accessibility, as well as some other thoughts. was Re: Firefox compatibility with Voiceover

  • From: David Hilbert Poehlman <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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  • Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:53:56 -0400

Some sites are more troublesome than others.

On Sep 6, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Justin Harford wrote:

I wonder if my problems might not have to do with the pages that I am visiting? 
I really noticed it last night when I was looking up rout information on the 
amtrak trains from Sacramento to Chicago.

Justin 
El 06-09-2011, a las 8:47, David Hilbert Poehlman escribió:

> Actually, clean refers to emptying cache folders and the like.  When was the 
> last time you went to the safari menu in safari and executed the empty cache 
> command for instance?
> 
> I get an occasional safari busy on my macbook pro 13 inch with 8 mb of ram 
> and an 500 mb hd with a 2.6 ghz core two duo but more on my less powerful 
> systems.  I have a good internet connection though most of the time.
> 
> On Sep 6, 2011, at 11:00 AM, Justin Harford wrote:
> 
> Well absolutely. If I issue (left+right arrow) quicknav will not turn on. Yep 
> there just proved it. The thing about it is that I am describing a bug that I 
> constantly noticed in SL and associated with qn, since it started when apple 
> implemented qn, and since the qn short cut command would momentarily fix it. 
> 
> When I come to think of it I never really had a very positive opinion of qn, 
> but on a more positive note, I have a macbook with small uncomfortable arrow 
> keys and it made qn feel really slow, but when I was using a desktop unit I 
> found that it worked a lot nicer and was actually a godsend with the windows 
> keyboard that had the option and command keys reversed. 
> 
> My macbook is a 2008 model I think. It has a 320 gb hard drive apart from the 
> other specs mentioned. I remember you mentioned that a clean install can 
> sometimes be what the doctor ordered. It sure is a good idea, and I resorted 
> to it when I updated to SL. However in the end I noticed the exact same bugs 
> even after I had gone in the disk utility and erased my entire hard drive, 
> doing a clean install of SL over it. I think I'll try it again here perhaps 
> some day, but it just doesn't seem worth rushing into it, given the luck we 
> have had with it in the past. 
> 
> Regards
> Justin Harford 
> El 06-09-2011, a las 7:51, David Hilbert Poehlman escribió:
> 
>> I wonder if it is actually disabled because for me, quicknav is totally dead 
>> when I check that box.
>> 
>> On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Justin Harford wrote:
>> 
>> Lol I actually tried to disable quicknav. I was excited when I saw the 
>> option to disable that quick key stroke. It does sometimes still try to 
>> activate itself, basically causing the computer to react strangely to 
>> certain commands, moving left and right character by character when I press 
>> the up and down arrows for it to go line by line. As in the days of SL, 
>> pressing the quicknav activate command (left + right arrow) fixes this, even 
>> though I disabled that command. 
>> El 06-09-2011, a las 7:42, David Hilbert Poehlman escribió:
>> 
>>> are you somehow using quicknav?
>>> 
>>> On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Justin Harford wrote:
>>> 
>>> I actually experience this too. I have 4 gb of ram with 2.1 ghz. I am 
>>> running lion. I sometimes had these problems under SL too, but they are 
>>> definitely more acute under Lion. Resetting VO sometimes resolves the 
>>> problem. Reloading the page hardly ever fixes anything anymore. And ever 
>>> since I am using Lion, it will do this thing where all the elements of the 
>>> page become invisible to VO, I cannot tab around at all, and I I have to 
>>> use VO keys, but since VO can't see the web elements, all the short cut 
>>> keys don't work. This doesn't get fixed until I close the window, open a 
>>> new one and paste the address in. 
>>> 
>>> Justin 
>>> 
>>> El 06-09-2011, a las 5:44, David Hilbert Poehlman escribió:
>>> 
>>>> I suspect a couple of things here.  First, are you running lion or sl?  
>>>> Next, what is your computer model?  How much ram? how big a hard drive and 
>>>> how full is it?  What are you using for internet for instance, dsl or 
>>>> cable?  Have you contacted apple and if not, when you do, supply this 
>>>> information.
>>>> 
>>>> Sometimes, all things being equal, things become corrupted and a good 
>>>> system cleaning can resolve a lot of issues as Marcy knows.
>>>> 
>>>> I've not seen this in the thread so if it has come up, just ignore this 
>>>> but does turning vo off and back on resolve the issue temporarily?  also, 
>>>> have you tried reloading the page?  I found in sl that I had more issues 
>>>> with group than dom mode.
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 6, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Peggy wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, my computer does the same thing with Safari. A lot of times I have to 
>>>> unplug my computer and take the battery out to get it to stop.
>>>> Peggy and Patty
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon Sep 5th, 2011 11:51 PM EDT Valiant8086 wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>> After reading about it I tried Lightning, and I think it's somewhat 
>>>>> nice. I'm hoping I find something I really like sometime, because on my 
>>>>> mac, Safari is very busy most of the time, and as it is right now I'm 
>>>>> much better off just using internet explorer on my other computers or 
>>>>> the web browser on my Nokia E5 rofl! Does anybody know if there is 
>>>>> something I can do to have safari not be so busy? Sometimes it will even 
>>>>> do this thing where it will say safari, busy, then it will say busy 3 or 
>>>>> 4 times, then it will say safari, ready. About 3 seconds later, it will 
>>>>> repeat the whole process and it will continue this indefinitely until I 
>>>>> turn voice over off and back on.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Speaking of voice over working with non built in alternatives like 
>>>>> Firefox as aposed to safari, I sure wish Thunderbird worked on the mac, 
>>>>> or does it, and I just couldn't figure it out when I tried it. Does 
>>>>> anyone know of a simpler mail client than mail that works with imap and 
>>>>> might be a little quicker to use? I get lots of email, and could use any 
>>>>> chance I could get to speed up my reading of emails. Hmm, if Voice over 
>>>>> works somewhat with Opera, I wonder if that means it works with Opera's 
>>>>> email too? I just might have to give that a try. What little tiny bit I 
>>>>> got to see of Opera on windows really impressed me, but about all I 
>>>>> could learn about it was that it started like way fast.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Right now I can only speed myself up so much, because I can't seem to 
>>>>> understand any synthesizers that are sped up very much at all except for 
>>>>> eloquence. Ironically, I do much better with Scan soft tom on my mac 
>>>>> than with Alex, but that's not saying much. I know people can use Alex 
>>>>> pretty fast, I've heard them over Skype, but I'm just like, huh?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, I have another question born out of curiosity. On my 11 inch mac 
>>>>> book air, the late 2010 model with the 1.4ghz core2duo and a 60gb ssd, I 
>>>>> found that when I updated to lion, instead of improving performance, it 
>>>>> actually worsened. That is to say, Alex was noticeably less responsive 
>>>>> in every way when I navigated around my mac. But I happily discovered 
>>>>> when I got my realSpeak voices installed and going that they were 
>>>>> actually more responsive than Alex ever was on my Macbook air. But a 
>>>>> friend of mine with his Macbook pro says Tom on his is actually rather 
>>>>> slow compared to Alex in terms of responsiveness. I wondered if anybody 
>>>>> knows why that is? I'm thinking maybe it has something to do with the 
>>>>> fact his mac book pro has a standard hard drive, while mine has a solid 
>>>>> state. Maybe Tom is more reliant on the hardware's ability to quickly 
>>>>> read the speech database from the disk than Alex is.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyway, I realize this message is off topic mostly from the discussion 
>>>>> to which I replied, so I'll go ahead and give it my own subject. I don't 
>>>>> usually write like this, but I wanted to get my thoughts off in one 
>>>>> shot  so I can go to bed without having to write several emails.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.13 portable.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/4/2011 12:54 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all, thanks for all your comments I find it's a shame that firefox 
>>>>>> doesn't work with voiceover but that's how it is I suppose. Hopefully 
>>>>>> one day It will though!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: "John Panarese" <jpanarese@xxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 3:18 AM
>>>>>> To: <mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Firefox compatibility with Voiceover
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I've only used Lightning browser.  It's very fast.  The interface 
>>>>>>> is a little different than Safari, but it is a nice browser.  I am 
>>>>>>> gong to try Omni Web soon.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Take Care
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>>>>> Director
>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>>>>> john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>>>>>> MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2011, at 10:07 PM, Bubba wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The last one I have heard of . yes, what is your input on the other 
>>>>>>>> ones?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Bubba
>>>>>>>> bubbathegeek@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John G
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 9:26 PM
>>>>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Firefox compatibility with Voiceover
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Have you any more info on the opera situation, John?
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> At 02:18 03/09/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Lightning Browser and Omni Web from the App store.  I hear Opera
>>>>>>>>> is on its way to being accessible.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Take Care
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>>>>>>> Director
>>>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>>>>>>> john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND
>>>>>>>>> SUPPORT
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2011, at 6:56 PM, Bubba wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Is there any other browser other than Safari that works with Vo?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Bubba
>>>>>>>>>> bubbathegeek@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David
>>>>>>>>>> Hilbert Poehlman
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 5:57 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Firefox compatabilty with Voiceover
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, as my subject says, I was just wondering about the
>>>>>>>>>> accessibility of Voiceover with firefox on the Mac OS X. By this I
>>>>>>>>>> mean can VO users use Firefox instead of using safari and if not,
>>>>>>>>>> what's the news on
>>>>>>>>> building this
>>>>>>>>>> into firefox and VO Users?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I realise that this might be old news to VO Users or it might of
>>>>>>>>>> been covered loads of time before but I don't own a Mac and I am
>>>>>>>>> interested in if
>>>>>>>>>> there has been any development in this Web Browser with
>>>>>>>>> Voiceover. What with
>>>>>>>>>> the new Mac OS Lion just recently out. Is there any hope for Vo
>>>>>>>>> Users in the
>>>>>>>>>> future to be able to use the Firefox Web Browser? I also ask
>>>>>>>>> because I don't
>>>>>>>>>> own a Mac and am keane to know what choices I have should the
>>>>>>>>> time come when
>>>>>>>>>> I might get one.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Many Thanks
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>>>> 
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