[mac4theblind] Re: help on help!
- From: "Julio C. Perez" <jcperez11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 17:03:15 -0500
That is the way I have it now and everything is working just dandy!
On Mar 7, 2012, at 7:46 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
> actually, the default is to hace all the cursors connected except the mouse
> and vo. This is the best way to leave it.
>
> On Mar 6, 2012, at 6:21 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
>
> Point taken. So right now I have the VO cursor following the keyboard cursor
> and the keyboard cursor following the VO cursor. I have the insertion pointer
> and VO cursor disconnected and the mouse pointer and VO cursors are also
> disconnected. Is this the way to start?
> On Mar 6, 2012, at 6:34 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
>
>> mouse should ignore vo.
>> as to why the commanders are available, first, we are trying to get at the
>> heart of your issue. Second, they serve purposes which you will understand
>> more clearly after you gain some experience with the mac os. It is quite a
>> bit different from windows although there are many things that seem similar.
>>
>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:41 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
>>
>> Why should this be so? What is the point of having these commander features
>> if they interfere with "normal" functions? I also have all the default
>> tracking (VoiceOver, mouse and keyboard). Should I have all those
>> functioning independently of each other?
>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:21 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
>>
>>> I have also tried with the keyboard commander and num-pad commanders off
>>> with the same non-results. So it is the same with or without quick-nap,
>>> keyboard or num-pad commanders. Is there a way of repairing or reinstalling
>>> safari? VoiceOver? Is there a way of resetting either of these to their
>>> default settings? Maybe I've mis-configured one or the other into garbage.
>>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 8:20 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wonder if somehow you are triggering quick nave? press the left and
>>>> right arrow keys together to toggle quick nave. make sure it is turned
>>>> off before you go click show.
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 10:17 PM, "Julio C. Perez" <jcperez11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No, this isn't working on my system at this time. I have had this work in
>>>> the not too distant past but it isn't working now.
>>>>
>>>> Is safari the only browser that works under the Mac OS with voiceover?
>>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 8:02 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> go right arrow after clicking show.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Weird and frustrating! In detail…
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. I select the link "voiceover basics". This takes me to a content list
>>>>> with seven items. I can either navigate to one of those links (lets say
>>>>> the "selecting a single item" link) or open the contents list by
>>>>> interacting with it and then arrowing down to the link. In either case,
>>>>> the result is the same. A list of "show" clickable items appears which
>>>>> when clicked on does not display text information but only changes the
>>>>> "show" option to a "hide" option.
>>>>>
>>>>> The VO-shift-up arrow WILL stop interacting with the current item every
>>>>> time. I've also used the quick nab left-down arrow and the num-pad #7.
>>>>> The problem is not with the interaction. The problem is that the
>>>>> explanatory text never appears… or maybe it does but I don't know where.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to check with the Apple Accessibility folks and see what they
>>>>> can add to the mix.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to you and all for all of your help so far.
>>>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 1:35 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> looking at this again, something weird is going on here because are
>>>>>> describing something you are interacting with and vu-shift-up arrow
>>>>>> should stop interacting. go right and left arrow move through the text.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This exploration is yielding lots of new knowledge. I've now know about
>>>>>> the quick nab feature and how to use the various combination of arrow
>>>>>> keys to control safari operations. Unfortunately, my basic original
>>>>>> problem remains. Oh well… back to the front!
>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 11:38 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sorry, this is the stop interacting key and it sounded like you were
>>>>>>> interacting with something.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I press "coo-shift-up arrow"Do you mean "command-VO-shift-up arrow"?
>>>>>>> cause if I do this it has the effect of moving the VO cursor up.
>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 2:33 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> press coo-shift-up arrow and then try vu-right.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:27 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VO-left or right arrows only take me (line by line) to the top or
>>>>>>>> bottom of the object I'm interacting with. Either links to other
>>>>>>>> topics or groups. Not explanatory text.
>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:04 PM, John Panniers wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you go space on the clickable item, try navigating right with the
>>>>>>>>> VO and right arrow keys. See if that reveals anything for you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Take Care
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John D. Panniers
>>>>>>>>> Director
>>>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>>>>>>> john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>>>>>>>> MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:02 PM, "Julio C. Perez" <jcperez11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks John for the detailed clarification. I guess I did not get it
>>>>>>>>>> when David said it the first time. I can get back to the proper
>>>>>>>>>> window within the application by using the command-f2 twice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now I can get back to the issue I started this thread with.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So here I am in the help topic that is supposed to explain how to
>>>>>>>>>> select and deselect single and multiple items. I have here a list of
>>>>>>>>>> clickable objects that say "show" group with two items. When I
>>>>>>>>>> interact with the group, I find two clickable items within (as
>>>>>>>>>> expected). When I click on the "show" clickable, I expect to get to
>>>>>>>>>> some text or html window that explains how to do this. The only
>>>>>>>>>> thing I seem to find is that there now appears a "hide" clickable.
>>>>>>>>>> Where do I go to find the instructions for selecting or deselecting
>>>>>>>>>> one or more items? The window chooser command only gives me the
>>>>>>>>>> "help" and "utilities" child windows. Could this have something to
>>>>>>>>>> do with the navigational mode or something?
>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:40 PM, John Panniers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The command-accent combination, which is the key below the escape
>>>>>>>>>>> key, will cycle you through open windows in an application.
>>>>>>>>>>> Command-tab cycles you through your open applications. For the
>>>>>>>>>>> help, try the command-accent or David's suggestion of using the
>>>>>>>>>>> window chooser menu with VO-F2 twice and then using the up and down
>>>>>>>>>>> arrows to see a list of your currently open windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Take Care
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> John D. Panniers
>>>>>>>>>>> Director
>>>>>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>>>>>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>>>>>>>>>> Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>>>>>>>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:36 PM, George B wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> hums what is a grave key, please??
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>> [malt:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tracy Duffy
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 09:32
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You can also try command along with the grab key. This will move
>>>>>>>>>>>> you from
>>>>>>>>>>>> window to window within an application. At least it does in Snow
>>>>>>>>>>>> leopard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:30 PM, George B wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> good job david i am not on my mac and could not remember that
>>>>>>>>>>>> command
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [malt:mac4theblind-
>>>>>>>>>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Hilbert Poehlman
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 09:27
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> try vo-f2 twice to bring up a list of open windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, when I press command-tab twice, it doesn't bring me to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> previously open help topic I left. It only switches me to the other
>>>>>>>>>>>> application windows or brings me back to the same VO utilities
>>>>>>>>>>>> window.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If I go to the menu and arrow down the windows options, I only see
>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>> applications window available to choose from. Is one of those other
>>>>>>>>>>>> options on that windows drop-down the one I need to take me back
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> topic I left? How does one switch to different windows within an
>>>>>>>>>>>> application window?
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:00 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> try command-tab twice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:47 AM, George B wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> First of all command tab changes your application from one to
>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> windows within a application.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [malt:mac4theblind-
>>>>>>>>>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Julio C. Perez
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 08:44
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, here is an example..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am currently in a help window that has . here is an even better
>>>>>>>>>>>> example of not having a clue of something that should be (and needs
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> be) understood by a neophyte.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As I am writing this message, I switch to another window where I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> working with a help topic. I switch back to this window to write
>>>>>>>>>>>> something and when I use the "command-tab" hoping to return to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>>>>>>> window. I end up back in the VoiceOver utilities area. Not the help
>>>>>>>>>>>> topic I thought I would be going to. How do I make this simple
>>>>>>>>>>>> switch
>>>>>>>>>>>> from one window to another without having to navigate back to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> topic
>>>>>>>>>>>> layer after linked layer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is the sort of thing that I never had to think about before.
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:24 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> can you give us an example? I believe I know what you need to do
>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than searching through help for an item, it would speed up
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> process having an example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems like the more I think I've learned, the more I know I've
>>>>>>>>>>>> missed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Right now I'm going through the VoiceOver help menu seeking areas
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> weak on and hoping to learn more. When I get to a "show" clickable
>>>>>>>>>>>> object, I select it. and nothing seems to happen except that it
>>>>>>>>>>>> changes
>>>>>>>>>>>> from a "show" to a "hide" area. Where does the related information
>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>> shown? What part of this process am I not getting?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can freely admit that navigation and safari navigation in
>>>>>>>>>>>> particular are my weakest areas. This makes learning via the
>>>>>>>>>>>> provided
>>>>>>>>>>>> help topics slow. Does anyone know of a good tutorial for
>>>>>>>>>>>> transplanted
>>>>>>>>>>>> windows/internet explorer/JAWS users? I mean, there should be
>>>>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> us by now to have, at least, an email list that can serve as a
>>>>>>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> trade and ask for information that might bore those of you for whom
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> mac environment is natural.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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