[mac4theblind] Re: help on help!

Lol I think the subject line could be changed by now, please.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Julio C. Perez
> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 15:29
> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help!
> 
> So now I've got VO reset to the initial defaults. I'm going to look
> around the VO utility and check out how things are set.
> On Mar 6, 2012, at 6:38 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
> 
> > you can reset vo by opening the vo utility with vo-f8 and activating
> the reset all voiceover preferences menu item under the file menu.
> >
> > Slow down, read carefully, talk to apple, don't get frustrated.
> Thousands of us are able to use vo just fine and you will be too as
> soon as you *grasp* it.
> >
> > On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:33 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
> >
> > Ok, so I have all the commanders turned off (including the touch-pad
> commander).  Same non-results.
> > On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:21 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
> >
> >> I have also tried with the keyboard commander and num-pad commanders
> off with the same non-results. So it is the same with or without quick-
> nav, keyboard or num-pad commanders. Is there a way of repairing or
> reinstalling safari? VoiceOver? Is there a way of resetting either of
> these to their default settings? Maybe I've mis-configured one or the
> other into garbage.
> >> On Mar 5, 2012, at 8:20 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
> >>
> >>> I wonder if somehow you are triggering quick  nav?  press the left
> and right arrow keys together to toggle quick nav.  make sure it is
> turned off before you vo click show.
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 10:17 PM, "Julio C. Perez"
> <jcperez11@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> No, this isn't working on my system at this time. I have had this
> work in the not too distant past but it isn't working now.
> >>>
> >>> Is safari the only browser that works under the Mac OS with
> voiceover?
> >>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 8:02 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> vo right arrow after clicking show.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Weird and frustrating! In detail.
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. I select the link "voiceover basics". This takes me to a
> content list with seven items. I can either navigate to one of those
> links (lets say the "selecting a sigle item" link) or open the contents
> list by interacting with it and then arrowing down to the link. In
> either case, the result is the same. A list of "show" clickable items
> appears which when clicked on does not display text information but
> only changes the "show" option to a "hide" option.
> >>>>
> >>>> The VO-shift-up arrow WILL stop interacting with the current item
> every time. I've also used the quick nab left-down arrow and the num-
> pad #7. The problem is not with the interaction. The problem is that
> the explanatory text never appears. or maybe it does but I don't know
> where.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm going to check with the Apple Accessibility folks and see what
> they can add to the mix.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks to you and all for all of your help so far.
> >>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 1:35 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> looking at this again, something weird is going on here because
> are describing something you are interacting with and vo-shift-up arrow
> should stop interacting.  vo right and left arrow move through the
> text.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This exploration is yielding lots of new knowledge. I've now know
> about the quick nab feature and how to use the various combination of
> arrow keys to control safari operations. Unfortunately, my basic
> original problem remains. Oh well. back to the front!
> >>>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 11:38 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> sorry, this is the stop interacting key and it sounded like you
> were interacting with something.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If I press "cvo-shift-up arrow"Do you mean "command-VO-shift-up
> arrow"? cause if I do this it has the effect of  moving the VO cursor
> up.
> >>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 2:33 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> press cvo-shift-up arrow and then try vo-right.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:27 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> VO-left or right arrows only take me (line by line) to the top
> or bottom of the object I'm interacting with. Either links to other
> topics or groups. Not explanatory text.
> >>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:04 PM, John Panarese wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If you vo space on the clickable item, try navigating right
> with the VO and right arrow keys.  See if that reveals anything for
> you.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Take Care
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> John D. Panarese
> >>>>>>>> Director
> >>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind
> >>>>>>>> john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>> http://www.macfortheblind.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> >>>>>>>> MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:02 PM, "Julio C. Perez"
> <jcperez11@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks John for the detailed clarification. I guess I did not
> get it when David said it the first time. I can get back to the proper
> window within the application by using the command-f2 twice.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Now I can get back to the issue I started this thread with.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So here I am in the help topic that is supposed to explain
> how to select and deselect single and multiple items. I have here a
> list of clickable objects that say "show" group with two items. When I
> interact with the group, I find two clickable items within (as
> expected). When I click on the "show" clickable, I expect to get to
> some text or html window that explains how to do this. The only thing I
> seem to find is that there now appears a "hide" clickable. Where do I
> go to find the instructions for selecting or deselecting one or more
> items? The window chooser command only gives me the "help" and
> "utilities" child windows. Could this have something to do with the
> navigational mode or something?
> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:40 PM, John Panarese wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The command-accent combination, which is the key below the
> escape key, will cycle you through open windows in an application.
> Command-tab cycles you through your open applications.  For the help,
> try the command-accent or David's suggestion of using the window
> chooser menu with VO-F2 twice and then using the up and down arrows to
> see a list of your currently open windows.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Take Care
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> John D. Panarese
> >>>>>>>>>> Director
> >>>>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind
> >>>>>>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> >>>>>>>>>> Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> >>>>>>>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:36 PM, George B wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> hummmm what is a grave key, please??
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Tracy Duffy
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 09:32
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> You can also try command along with the grav key. This will
> move you from
> >>>>>>>>>>> window to window within an application. At least it does in
> Snowleopard.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:30 PM, George B wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> good job david i am not on my mac and could not remember
> that command
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:mac4theblind-
> >>>>>>>>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Hilbert Poehlman
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 09:27
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> try vo-f2 twice to bring up a list of open windows.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> So, when I press command-tab twice, it doesn't bring me to
> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> previously open help topic I left. It only switches me to
> the other
> >>>>>>>>>>> application windows or brings me back to the same VO
> utilities window.
> >>>>>>>>>>> If I go to the menu and arrow down the windows options, I
> only see one
> >>>>>>>>>>> applications window available to choose from. Is one of
> those other
> >>>>>>>>>>> options on that windows drop-down the one I need to take me
> back to the
> >>>>>>>>>>> topic I left? How does one switch to different windows
> within an
> >>>>>>>>>>> application window?
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:00 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> try command-tab twice.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:47 AM, George B wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> First of all command tab changes your application from one
> to another
> >>>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>> windows within a application.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:mac4theblind-
> >>>>>>>>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Julio C. Perez
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 08:44
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Ok, here is an example..
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I am currently in a help window that has . here is an even
> better
> >>>>>>>>>>> example of not having a clue of something that should be
> (and needs
> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> be) understood by a neophyte.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As I am writing this message, I switch to another window
> where I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>> working with a help topic. I switch back to this window to
> write
> >>>>>>>>>>> something and when I use the "command-tab" hoping to return
> to the
> >>>>>>>>>>> help
> >>>>>>>>>>> window. I end up back in the VoiceOver utilities area. Not
> the help
> >>>>>>>>>>> topic I thought I would be going to. How do I make this
> simple
> >>>>>>>>>>> switch
> >>>>>>>>>>> from one window to another without having to navigate back
> to the
> >>>>>>>>>>> topic
> >>>>>>>>>>> layer after linked layer?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> This is the sort of thing that I never had to think about
> before.
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:24 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> can you give us an example?  I believe I know what you need
> to do
> >>>>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>> rather than searching through help for an item, it would
> speed up
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> process having an example.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> It seems like the more I think I've learned, the more I
> know I've
> >>>>>>>>>>> missed!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Right now I'm going through the VoiceOver help menu seeking
> areas
> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>> weak on and hoping to learn more. When I get to a "show"
> clickable
> >>>>>>>>>>> object, I select it. and nothing seems to happen except
> that it
> >>>>>>>>>>> changes
> >>>>>>>>>>> from a "show" to a "hide" area. Where does the related
> information
> >>>>>>>>>>> get
> >>>>>>>>>>> shown? What part of this process am I not getting?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I can freely admit that navigation and safari navigation in
> >>>>>>>>>>> particular are my weakest areas. This makes learning via
> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> provided
> >>>>>>>>>>> help topics slow. Does anyone know of a good tutorial for
> >>>>>>>>>>> transplanted
> >>>>>>>>>>> windows/internet explorer/JAWS users? I mean, there should
> be enough
> >>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>> us by now to have, at least, an email list that can serve
> as a place
> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> trade and ask for information that might bore those of you
> for whom
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> mac environment is natural.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
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