So that brings me back to either resetting safari to its initial defaults or repairing it or reinstalling it. What choice do I have now? On Mar 5, 2012, at 7:59 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: > it is the only browser that fires when you activate help. > > On Mar 4, 2012, at 10:17 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote: > > No, this isn't working on my system at this time. I have had this work in the > not too distant past but it isn't working now. > > Is safari the only browser that works under the Mac OS with voiceover? > On Mar 4, 2012, at 8:02 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: > >> vo right arrow after clicking show. >> >> On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote: >> >> Weird and frustrating! In detail… >> >> 1. I select the link "voiceover basics". This takes me to a content list >> with seven items. I can either navigate to one of those links (lets say the >> "selecting a sigle item" link) or open the contents list by interacting with >> it and then arrowing down to the link. In either case, the result is the >> same. A list of "show" clickable items appears which when clicked on does >> not display text information but only changes the "show" option to a "hide" >> option. >> >> The VO-shift-up arrow WILL stop interacting with the current item every >> time. I've also used the quick nab left-down arrow and the num-pad #7. The >> problem is not with the interaction. The problem is that the explanatory >> text never appears… or maybe it does but I don't know where. >> >> I'm going to check with the Apple Accessibility folks and see what they can >> add to the mix. >> >> Thanks to you and all for all of your help so far. >> On Mar 4, 2012, at 1:35 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: >> >>> looking at this again, something weird is going on here because are >>> describing something you are interacting with and vo-shift-up arrow should >>> stop interacting. vo right and left arrow move through the text. >>> >>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote: >>> >>> This exploration is yielding lots of new knowledge. I've now know about the >>> quick nab feature and how to use the various combination of arrow keys to >>> control safari operations. Unfortunately, my basic original problem >>> remains. Oh well… back to the front! >>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 11:38 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: >>> >>>> sorry, this is the stop interacting key and it sounded like you were >>>> interacting with something. >>>> >>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Julio C. Perez wrote: >>>> >>>> If I press "cvo-shift-up arrow"Do you mean "command-VO-shift-up arrow"? >>>> cause if I do this it has the effect of moving the VO cursor up. >>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 2:33 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: >>>> >>>>> press cvo-shift-up arrow and then try vo-right. >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:27 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote: >>>>> >>>>> VO-left or right arrows only take me (line by line) to the top or bottom >>>>> of the object I'm interacting with. Either links to other topics or >>>>> groups. Not explanatory text. >>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:04 PM, John Panarese wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If you vo space on the clickable item, try navigating right with the VO >>>>>> and right arrow keys. See if that reveals anything for you. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Take Care >>>>>> >>>>>> John D. Panarese >>>>>> Director >>>>>> Mac for the Blind >>>>>> john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> http://www.macfortheblind.com >>>>>> >>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>>>>> MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:02 PM, "Julio C. Perez" <jcperez11@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks John for the detailed clarification. I guess I did not get it >>>>>>> when David said it the first time. I can get back to the proper window >>>>>>> within the application by using the command-f2 twice. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now I can get back to the issue I started this thread with. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So here I am in the help topic that is supposed to explain how to >>>>>>> select and deselect single and multiple items. I have here a list of >>>>>>> clickable objects that say "show" group with two items. When I interact >>>>>>> with the group, I find two clickable items within (as expected). When I >>>>>>> click on the "show" clickable, I expect to get to some text or html >>>>>>> window that explains how to do this. The only thing I seem to find is >>>>>>> that there now appears a "hide" clickable. Where do I go to find the >>>>>>> instructions for selecting or deselecting one or more items? The window >>>>>>> chooser command only gives me the "help" and "utilities" child windows. >>>>>>> Could this have something to do with the navigational mode or >>>>>>> something? >>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:40 PM, John Panarese wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The command-accent combination, which is the key below the escape key, >>>>>>>> will cycle you through open windows in an application. Command-tab >>>>>>>> cycles you through your open applications. For the help, try the >>>>>>>> command-accent or David's suggestion of using the window chooser menu >>>>>>>> with VO-F2 twice and then using the up and down arrows to see a list >>>>>>>> of your currently open windows. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Take Care >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John D. Panarese >>>>>>>> Director >>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind >>>>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>>>>>>> Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>>>>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:36 PM, George B wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> hummmm what is a grave key, please?? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>> [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tracy Duffy >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 09:32 >>>>>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can also try command along with the grav key. This will move you >>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>> window to window within an application. At least it does in >>>>>>>>> Snowleopard. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:30 PM, George B wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> good job david i am not on my mac and could not remember that command >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind- >>>>>>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Hilbert Poehlman >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 09:27 >>>>>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> try vo-f2 twice to bring up a list of open windows. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, when I press command-tab twice, it doesn't bring me to the >>>>>>>>> previously open help topic I left. It only switches me to the other >>>>>>>>> application windows or brings me back to the same VO utilities window. >>>>>>>>> If I go to the menu and arrow down the windows options, I only see one >>>>>>>>> applications window available to choose from. Is one of those other >>>>>>>>> options on that windows drop-down the one I need to take me back to >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> topic I left? How does one switch to different windows within an >>>>>>>>> application window? >>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:00 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> try command-tab twice. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:47 AM, George B wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> First of all command tab changes your application from one to another >>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> windows within a application. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind- >>>>>>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Julio C. Perez >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 08:44 >>>>>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ok, here is an example.. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am currently in a help window that has . here is an even better >>>>>>>>> example of not having a clue of something that should be (and needs >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> be) understood by a neophyte. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As I am writing this message, I switch to another window where I'm >>>>>>>>> working with a help topic. I switch back to this window to write >>>>>>>>> something and when I use the "command-tab" hoping to return to the >>>>>>>>> help >>>>>>>>> window. I end up back in the VoiceOver utilities area. Not the help >>>>>>>>> topic I thought I would be going to. How do I make this simple >>>>>>>>> switch >>>>>>>>> from one window to another without having to navigate back to the >>>>>>>>> topic >>>>>>>>> layer after linked layer? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is the sort of thing that I never had to think about before. >>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:24 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> can you give us an example? I believe I know what you need to do >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> rather than searching through help for an item, it would speed up >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> process having an example. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Julio C. Perez wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It seems like the more I think I've learned, the more I know I've >>>>>>>>> missed! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Right now I'm going through the VoiceOver help menu seeking areas >>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>> weak on and hoping to learn more. When I get to a "show" clickable >>>>>>>>> object, I select it. and nothing seems to happen except that it >>>>>>>>> changes >>>>>>>>> from a "show" to a "hide" area. Where does the related information >>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>> shown? What part of this process am I not getting? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I can freely admit that navigation and safari navigation in >>>>>>>>> particular are my weakest areas. This makes learning via the >>>>>>>>> provided >>>>>>>>> help topics slow. Does anyone know of a good tutorial for >>>>>>>>> transplanted >>>>>>>>> windows/internet explorer/JAWS users? 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