[mac4theblind] Re: What is the MacOS equivalent...
- From: Tracy Duffy <tracyduffy@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:08:59 -0500
I agree with what you are saying. It's just that instead of saying that the
dock is where programs are listed, people often say that you should forget
about task bar and learn mack terms and go on about it. I guess I just meant
that giving them the answer is good, but that each time an answer is given, we
don't need to hear that we should just forget about what we already knew. If
that's your reference point, it's hard to hear that every time and not feel
like you were wrong for asking a question. I have gotten much valuable
information from this list and another one like it, but so often it came with
that admonition that I almost got to the point where I was afraid to ask a
question unless I already knew at least half of the answer. Maybe I'm just
sensative and no one else feels that way. I havheard similar complaints from
others though and perhaps I'm just the only one to step forward and say
something about it.When a person is brand new to Mac, they may often ask a
question using the terms they are familiar with, but we can give them the
answer using the Mac terms and explain what differences and points they need to
know. I simply don't want people to feel like they have to be really careful
about how they ask a question. It seems like it should be most important to
help them get the information and learn what they need to know.
tracyduffy@xxxxxxxxx
2 Chronicles 20, 21B: "Give thanks to God, his faithful
love endures forever."
On Nov 29, 2011, at 6:19 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> For one thing, no one has done anything wrong by asking questions. For two,
> we're not, in your word, swatting anyone's hands, but in other people's
> defense, what are we gonna do, let peole keep saying, oh, that drive is
> located on your desktop?
>
> For one, on a mac, it's not a drive. It's a volume. for two, the edrive is
> not on the desktop, that is only a... shortcut?... or do we mean mac term...
> alias,... which mounts to the desktop... in /Volume/VolumeName.
>
> That example is rather extreme, but, are we gonna let peole sit here and say
> they browsed for a file through explorer? We don't have explorer on the Mac,
> we have the Finder. It does the same exact things, but it's not Windows.
> When we hit vo+shift+M, are we bringing up a context menu? No. We're
> bringing up the shortcut menu.
>
> If you try asking someone who only knows mac what the task bar is, they're
> gonna lookat you like... Huh? Wut? But if you said, where is the dock...
> they'd know exactly.
>
> There are not that many terms to learn, and frankly, if you're not willing to
> at least try to learn them... ok, I'll stop that comment... it's one thing
> to try learning the termanology, but not be able to get your head around it
> right away, thus fall back to windows terms that you know and recognise for a
> time. That I promote. What I don't! promote, is never even trying! to
> branch out and learn from a complete macintosh perspective.
>
> All in all, I'd say I half agree with your rant, but I also half disagree
> with it.
>
> I'm sorry if you took it as such that we were bashing the newbies, as that is
> no one's intention here, and shame on anyone who does so. We all learn at
> different paces, and at different levels, and with different styles. Some
> may feel better reading, where others like myself, might benefit more from an
> over the phone trainer as myself who for a very low nominal fee or for
> nothing at all, just depending on circumstances can sit down with a person
> one-on-one, and give them the support they need at their own speed.
>
> Chris.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tracy Duffy
> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 5:38 AM
> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: What is the MacOS equivalent...
>
> I respect the opinions that are given here, but may I say that when I
> transitioned in June, it was helpful to me to at least use window terms or
> reference points when trying to find how how to accomplish what I needed or
> wanted to accomplish. Personally, I hate having my hand swatted every time I
> make a reference to a windows term. If a body is brand new to the Mac, they
> don't always know the proper term and the only way they may know to ask a
> question is by using the terms that they do know. It is true that you can't
> expect the Mac to work exactly like a windows PC, but for gooeness sake,
> let's work with people who are trying to learn. The same thing goes when a
> body is trying to find software that works with a Mac. Often times they may
> know a program that did what they wanted in windoes, so they will ask if
> there is a version for the Mac, or if anyone knows of a similar program for
> the Mac. I don't see why they have to get a lecture about forgetting windows
> terms and programs. Just give them an answer. I only say these things because
> I grew very tired of it when I was asking a lot of questions. Yes. I learned
> the Mac in a very short period of time, but that didn't mean I had all the
> answers. I know you all mean well, but try not to give people the impression
> that they've done something wrong by asking a question. I'll step down from
> my soap box now. (smile)
>
> tracyduffy@xxxxxxxxx
> 2 Chronicles 20, 21B: "Give thanks to God, his faithful love endures forever."
>
> On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:07 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>
>> That's the way you really have to approach it. Yes, there is the
>> temptation and, perhaps, it's necessary to have Windows reference points to
>> keep things straight in your mind. However, if you keep thinking in Windows
>> terms and like you are using a Windows screen reader, I can tell you that
>> your progress will be slow and quite frustrating. You have to cut the cord
>> and think Mac and VoiceOver.
>>
>>
>> Take Care
>>
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
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>>
>> On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:05 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>
>>> Not really. I caught on to the mac in about 10 minutes and tha'ts why. I
>>> through windows out the window so to speak.. I"m not sayign I learned
>>> everythign in 1 day, but I grasped the consept in about 10 minutes and
>>> spent the next day takign notes in class and learning the mac as a brand
>>> new OS forgetting the fact that I ever learned windows.
>>>
>>> Take care all.
>>> On Nov 28, 2011, at 5:46 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd have to agree here with Sarah's comments. the mac is very similar to
>>>> windows, but it's just different enough to really screw you if not
>>>> careful. It's kind a like the difference in Spanish vs. Portuguese.
>>>>
>>>> Chris.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Alawami" <marrie12@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:14 PM
>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: What is the MacOS equivalent...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah it would be. the doc in windows is just like the doc on the mac, But
>>>> I would quit comparing mac to windows starting now and learn the
>>>> terminology and use it. Don't go looking for equivilents as they are not
>>>> going to be easy to spot half the time.
>>>> On Nov 28, 2011, at 4:59 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> that'd be the doc right? I don't see a taskbar on the mac.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 27, 2011, at 5:23 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh yeah. oops? forgot about that. I don't much pay attention to that.
>>>>> thanks for the tip I forgot lol!
>>>>> On Nov 27, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Tracy Duffy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you go across the task bar, it will tell you when an ap is running
>>>>>> and when it is not. For example, it will say mail running or if it just
>>>>>> says mail it is not running at the moment and you'll need to open it if
>>>>>> you want to work within that program. Or, if an ap is running and you
>>>>>> don't want it to be, you'll know to close it out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tracyduffy@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> 2 Chronicles 20, 21B: "Give thanks to God, his faithful love endures
>>>>>> forever."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 27, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's the doc. and I dunno if there is a way to speak the dots.
>>>>>>> Hopefully someone can help there.
>>>>>>> On Nov 26, 2011, at 10:25 PM, JULIO PEREZ wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To the Windows Task Manager and/or Taskbar? That is, the place where
>>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>>> files are listed so that one can close or switch to them. The
>>>>>>>> materials I'm
>>>>>>>> reading say that open files are marked with a "bright dot" next to
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> icons but VO does not describe such dots. I only heard a single such
>>>>>>>> mention
>>>>>>>> after waking up the system. It spoke the name of the running
>>>>>>>> application. Is
>>>>>>>> there a way to make that happen as desired?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Julio C. Perez
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