I respect the opinions that are given here, but may I say that when I transitioned in June, it was helpful to me to at least use window terms or reference points when trying to find how how to accomplish what I needed or wanted to accomplish. Personally, I hate having my hand swatted every time I make a reference to a windows term. If a body is brand new to the Mac, they don't always know the proper term and the only way they may know to ask a question is by using the terms that they do know. It is true that you can't expect the Mac to work exactly like a windows PC, but for gooeness sake, let's work with people who are trying to learn. The same thing goes when a body is trying to find software that works with a Mac. Often times they may know a program that did what they wanted in windoes, so they will ask if there is a version for the Mac, or if anyone knows of a similar program for the Mac. I don't see why they have to get a lecture about forgetting windows terms and programs. Just give them an answer. I only say these things because I grew very tired of it when I was asking a lot of questions. Yes. I learned the Mac in a very short period of time, but that didn't mean I had all the answers. I know you all mean well, but try not to give people the impression that they've done something wrong by asking a question. I'll step down from my soap box now. (smile) tracyduffy@xxxxxxxxx 2 Chronicles 20, 21B: "Give thanks to God, his faithful love endures forever." On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:07 PM, John Panarese wrote: > That's the way you really have to approach it. Yes, there is the > temptation and, perhaps, it's necessary to have Windows reference points to > keep things straight in your mind. However, if you keep thinking in Windows > terms and like you are using a Windows screen reader, I can tell you that > your progress will be slow and quite frustrating. You have to cut the cord > and think Mac and VoiceOver. > > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > > > On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:05 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Not really. I caught on to the mac in about 10 minutes and tha'ts why. I >> through windows out the window so to speak.. I"m not sayign I learned >> everythign in 1 day, but I grasped the consept in about 10 minutes and spent >> the next day takign notes in class and learning the mac as a brand new OS >> forgetting the fact that I ever learned windows. >> >> Take care all. >> On Nov 28, 2011, at 5:46 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >> >>> I'd have to agree here with Sarah's comments. the mac is very similar to >>> windows, but it's just different enough to really screw you if not careful. >>> It's kind a like the difference in Spanish vs. Portuguese. >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Alawami" <marrie12@xxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:14 PM >>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: What is the MacOS equivalent... >>> >>> >>> Yeah it would be. the doc in windows is just like the doc on the mac, But I >>> would quit comparing mac to windows starting now and learn the terminology >>> and use it. Don't go looking for equivilents as they are not going to be >>> easy to spot half the time. >>> On Nov 28, 2011, at 4:59 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: >>> >>>> that'd be the doc right? I don't see a taskbar on the mac. >>>> >>>> On Nov 27, 2011, at 5:23 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>> >>>> Oh yeah. oops? forgot about that. I don't much pay attention to that. >>>> thanks for the tip I forgot lol! >>>> On Nov 27, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Tracy Duffy wrote: >>>> >>>>> If you go across the task bar, it will tell you when an ap is running and >>>>> when it is not. For example, it will say mail running or if it just says >>>>> mail it is not running at the moment and you'll need to open it if you >>>>> want to work within that program. Or, if an ap is running and you don't >>>>> want it to be, you'll know to close it out. >>>>> >>>>> tracyduffy@xxxxxxxxx >>>>> 2 Chronicles 20, 21B: "Give thanks to God, his faithful love endures >>>>> forever." >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 27, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's the doc. and I dunno if there is a way to speak the dots. Hopefully >>>>>> someone can help there. >>>>>> On Nov 26, 2011, at 10:25 PM, JULIO PEREZ wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> To the Windows Task Manager and/or Taskbar? That is, the place where >>>>>>> open >>>>>>> files are listed so that one can close or switch to them. The materials >>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>> reading say that open files are marked with a "bright dot" next to their >>>>>>> icons but VO does not describe such dots. I only heard a single such >>>>>>> mention >>>>>>> after waking up the system. It spoke the name of the running >>>>>>> application. Is >>>>>>> there a way to make that happen as desired? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Julio C. 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