o o david you will never change how do you know the age of scott? > -----Original Message----- > From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind- > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David hilbert poehlman > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 10:53 > To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Introduction > > Yes, you can buy and buy and buy. I did not say you cannot hook it to > a mac. > > I've ben using computers since before you were born so let's not flame > each other here eh? > > On Jun 16, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Scott Granados wrote: > > > Absolute bunk! > > > > USB to serial convertors exist here. > > > > http://www.keyspan.com > > > > Juliet converts straight ASCII (N, 8, 1) to braille as well as can > take more advanced printer output. (no problem there) > > > > What's a Mac do that a PC hasn't done for all these years? > > > > Work correctly for one. There's a real operating system under the > hood not Winblows, the hardware is better, the interoperability with > networks and other devices is superior and even as a strict PC out > performs other PCs. (note PC Mag rating the Mac as the best Windows > computer of the year). > > > > On Jun 16, 2014, at 1:36 PM, David hilbert poehlman > <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >> The juliet does not usb. > >> > >> The more I hear of this, the more convinced it is not a way forward > and trust me, I'd love to see you in the driver's seat of a shiny new > mac and would help you free of charge to make that happen if it were as > I have helped so many. > >> > >> Those who have gone contrary to my directions have wound up not > being happy with the results. > >> > >> Let's start with... > >> ...What's a mac gonna do for you that a pc does not and has not done > for all these years?... > >> After truly understanding the ride you are in for, deciding to go > mac will avail you of all the help I can give. > >> > >> On Jun 16, 2014, at 1:01 PM, John Panarese wrote: > >> > >>> To add to this, also keep in mind Duxbury will be releasing a Mac > version of the DBT soon. To my understanding, it is in Beta now. > >>> > >>> > >>> Take Care > >>> > >>> John D. Panarese > >>> Director > >>> Mac for the Blind > >>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 > >>> Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > >>> > >>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 > Mountain Lion > >>> > >>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > >>> > >>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Jun 16, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Scott Granados <scott@granados- > llc.net> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I would think your going to be able to run Duxberry under the > virtual machine in an existing windows environment so to the program it > wouldn't know the difference. As for the braille device not sure. Do > you happen to know what sort of interface it uses? Is it USB or RS232 > serial or what do you use to connect it to the computer. Also are > there special drivers involved or does it support the normal print > protocols. I don't know the answer to this but I would guess the > manufacturer would have a good idea whether this could be done and how. > If it's a simple matter of making Serial work you can use something > like a WUSB11 serial to USB adapter from Keyspan to do the trick. It > may be more involved than that so I'd suggest you ping the manufacturer > of your braille hardware. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks > >>>> Scott > >>>> > >>>> On Jun 16, 2014, at 10:15 AM, Tom Behler <tombehler@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Scott: > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks for this very thoughtful response. I appreciate it > greatly. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Do you know whether or how a Mac with Voiceover can successfully > be integrated with the Duxbury Braille translation software, and a > Juliet Pro-60 Braille embosser? > >>>>> > >>>>> This is important for me, since I use these items in many aspects > of my college teaching work. > >>>>> > >>>>> Dr. Tom Behler > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind- > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Granados > >>>>> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 9:52 AM > >>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Introduction > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Tom, I would suggest you run and not walk and switch to a Mac. > >>>>> > >>>>> Here's my reasoning. > >>>>> First while you're correct your Microsoft productivity > applications may not be accessible natively under the Mac OS there are > lots of good work arounds like Apple IWork which uses comparable > programs that are compatible with the office files. So instead of Word > for example you would use Pages and probably enjoy the use of Pages > better. (I like the interface better myself) > >>>>> The quality of the Apple hardware is far superior to > that of your average Dell. While you can soup up a Dell with Apple you > know all your parts work together and integrate nicely. Everything > form setting up printers to networks etc is easier and more logical. > >>>>> Next, with software like VMWare Fusion you can run > windows under your Mac at the same time (in another window) as Mac OS > so you can have the best of both worlds available to you at the same > time. I frequently drag and top files between Mac and Windows between > the applications and find the integration very smooth. So you can run > Jaws inside your virtual machine and voice over outside giving you a > fully speaking path between both environments. > >>>>> Next, Apple is the future in my mind. Most companies > that I have worked for in recent years have migrated to Mac away from > Microsoft products. I worked for a company where we swapped out 60,000 > Dell laptops with Macbook Pros and never looked back. > >>>>> Next support, Apple support as in direct from the > company is miles ahead of Dell. Just the quality of the support and > backup you receive by Apple is superior. This may not matter so much > since you have in house staff at your university but for a solo guy > like my self running his own business it's important. > >>>>> Next, if you chose to fully participate in the Apple > Ecosystem you'll have a much better time with integrating your Mac to > your phone, tablet and TV than you will with Dell. > >>>>> That's just a few reasons that come to mind. You lose > nothing by making the apple switch but you gain a lot in functionality. > >>>>> > >>>>> How's that? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Jun 16, 2014, at 9:18 AM, Tom Behler <tombehler@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks very much, David. > >>>>> > >>>>> You may be quite correct. . I'm just trying to keep an open > mind about the choice until I have to make a decision early this Fall. > >>>>> > >>>>> P.S. To all list members: I would have replied to David > individually, but couldn't pull his personal e-mail address out of his > reply, so sorry for the extra list traffic. > >>>>> > >>>>> Dr. Tom Behler > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind- > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of David hilbert poehlman > >>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:59 PM > >>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Introduction > >>>>> > >>>>> Given your circumstances I see no advantage at all > >>>>> > >>>>> Jonnie Appleseed > >>>>> With his HandsonTechnolog(eye)s > >>>>> Touching the Internet > >>>>> Reducing technology's disabilities > >>>>> one byte at a time > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 19:24, "Tom Behler" <tombehler@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hello, everyone. > >>>>> > >>>>> I have just joined this e-mail list, and would like to introduce > myself as a means of letting you know why I am reaching out to you for > a bit of assistance. Hopefully, this intro will help you understand > who I am, what my situation is, and what I'm trying to accomplish. > >>>>> > >>>>> I am a blind Professor of Sociology at Ferris State University in > Michigan. I have been teaching for over 30 years, and have used > adaptive computer technology to perform various aspects of my job for > the vast majority of that time. Of course, like all of us, adaptive > technology has been fundamentally important to me in various aspects of > my personal life as well. > >>>>> > >>>>> Anyway, since Ferris State University is still pretty much a > windows-based institution,I currently use Windows 7, Office 2010, Jaws > 14, the Duxbury Braille translation software, and the Juliet Pro-60 > embosser to do my work both at my office and at home. > >>>>> > >>>>> My office computer is slated to be replaced this Fall, and I have > been given the opportunity to at least play around with a loaner > Macbook Pro laptop over the summer, to test out its possible usefulness > for me as a replacement computer. The Macbookpro that I'm borrowing > over the summer uses the Mavericks 10.9 OSX operating system. If I go > with a Mac for my actual office replacement computer, it would be an > Imac desk top. > >>>>> > >>>>> If I do not decide to make the switch to a Mac, I'd simply go > with a Dell desktop PC. > >>>>> > >>>>> I understand that Microsoft Office programs for the Mac, such as > Word, Excel, and Internet Explorer are not very accessible with Mac > Voiceover. I also have been told that there may be some major > compatibility issues with the Duxbury Braille translation software, and > my Juliet Pro-60 embosser. > >>>>> > >>>>> What I am requesting from you is some basic guidance regarding > whether trying to learn, and switch over to a Mac would be feasible, > given the above concerns, and given the short time I would have to > learn a Mac, in order to get it totally up and running for the Fall > semester. > >>>>> > >>>>> Are there some very general podcasts and/or tutorials you could > point me to to help give me at least some idea of what I'd be getting > into as I try to learn the mechanics of basic Mac operation? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks for whatever you can do to assist me. Although I may not > respond to every post I receive, please know that each reply will be > read and considered seriously. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>> Dr. Tom Behler, Professor of Sociology > >>>>> Department Of Social Sciences > >>>>> Ferris State University > >>>>> Big Rapids, MI > >>>> > >>> > >>> ************ > >>> > >>> > >>> You are subscribed to the mac4theblind mailing list. > >>> > >>> > >>> The url for this list, where one can unsubscribe or make any > changes to their list subscription is: > >>> > >>> //www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind > >>> > >>> The list archive is located at > >>> > >>> //www.freelists.org/archive/mac4theblind/ > >>> > >>> All emails intended for the list owner can be sent to: > >>> > >>> john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>> > >> > >> Jonnie Appleseed > >> with his > >> Hands-On-Technolog(eye)s > >> Touching The Internet > >> reducing technology's disabilities > >> one byte at a time > >> > >> ************ > >> > >> > >> You are subscribed to the mac4theblind mailing list. > >> > >> > >> The url for this list, where one can unsubscribe or make any > changes to their list subscription is: > >> > >> //www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind > >> > >> The list archive is located at > >> > >> //www.freelists.org/archive/mac4theblind/ > >> > >> All emails intended for the list owner can be sent to: > >> > >> john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > > > > ************ > > > > > > You are subscribed to the mac4theblind mailing list. > > > > > > The url for this list, where one can unsubscribe or make any > changes to their list subscription is: > > > > //www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind > > > > The list archive is located at > > > > //www.freelists.org/archive/mac4theblind/ > > > > All emails intended for the list owner can be sent to: > > > > john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Jonnie Appleseed > with his > Hands-On-Technolog(eye)s > Touching The Internet > reducing technology's disabilities > one byte at a time > > ************ > > > You are subscribed to the mac4theblind mailing list. > > > The url for this list, where one can unsubscribe or make any > changes to their list subscription is: > > //www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind > > The list archive is located at > > //www.freelists.org/archive/mac4theblind/ > > All emails intended for the list owner can be sent to: > > john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ************ You are subscribed to the mac4theblind mailing list. 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