[mac4theblind] AW: Re: IPad2
- From: "Benjamin Blatter" <benjaminblatter@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 16:06:10 +0200
Hi Josh
Thanks for these thoughts. I myself am a bit amazed about all blind mac
users who adapted to these IOs gestures so quickly. I got kind of nervous
while exploring an ipad, often loosing the right spot when doubble tapping
on a spot on the glass - like under pressure during a computer game which I
don't experience when I work under windows. The nervous voice of alex
doesn't help the matter much LOL.
Maybe it's a good idea to get a macbook first, one with these touch pads
which probably give you the same feel, plus you'd have both options then.
Peggy, maybe you should wait until this braille PDA is available and decide
then. I read i'ts OS is probably based on Android, which is a open and
widely used standard. This could be really an interesting thing. Plus you'd
have a braille display and a keyboard in one small unit. If you don't want
to worry over many bluetooth devices and their battery life then this could
be a nice solution.
Ben
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> [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]Im Auftrag von Josh de
> Lioncourt
> Gesendet: Montag, 10. Oktober 2011 15:14
> An: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Betreff: [mac4theblind] Re: IPad2
>
>
> Joe,
>
> Just a couple of corrections here.
>
> No one knows how much RAM is in the iPhone 4S. There has been
> speculation…strictly speculation…that it *might* include 1GB, but
> that is by no means definitive, and we won't know for sure until
> iFixIt or a similar site does a tear down after the iPhone arrives.
>
> The iPad's larger screen is a huge benefit to users, whether you
> can see it or not. I know many totally blind users who find
> enormous benefits to the iPad's larger display, myself included.
> Faster access to more content increases efficiency and enjoyment
> of the iOS experience.
>
> Some users are having a hard time breaking out of the mindset
> that screen readers of the past have put them in, where
> everything must be painstakingly navigated to in a linear
> fashion. Sighted users haven't had to do this for decades, thanks
> to point-and-click inventions like the mouse and trackpad. We, as
> visually impaired users, finally have an extremely similar tool
> for navigation at our disposal in iOS, and I'm frankly surprised
> at the numbers of users who still insist upon navigating linearly
> through everything on the screen.
>
> That isn't to say that you can't use an iOS device by flicking
> through everything on the screen, but it is certainly not the
> primary way it was intended to be used.
>
> Hope these thoughts help someone. :)
>
> Josh
>
> On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Bubba wrote:
>
> > Yes, the iPhone will work just fine as a note taker with a BT
> keyboard. But
> > now if you have any kind of vision that you can see some then the larger
> > iPad will come in handy over the iPhone because of it display. Also the
> > ipad2 has a better processer then the iphone4 but this is going
> to change in
> > the iphone4s as they will have the same processer size and the
> iphone4s will
> > have more ram it will have 1gb of ram as the ipad2 will have
> only 512 mb of
> > ram. JST
> >
> >
> > Sign,
> > Bubba
> > bubbathegeek@xxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Justin Harford
> > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 12:18 AM
> > To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: IPad2
> >
> > I actually did this too with a think-outside bluetooth keyboard that my
> > parents had given me for Christmas a few years before I bought
> my iPhone.
> > El 09-10-2011, a las 20:33, Sarah Alawami escribió:
> >
> >> lol. I use my iphone to take notes in class wiht a bt keybnoard and it
> > works. I can go back to and review my results for a test.
> >>
> >> Take care.
> >> On Oct 9, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Both the iPad 2 and the iPod touch include cameras.
> >>>
> >>> Personally, I have a hard time grasping situations when an assistive
> > device is a better option than an iPad, iPod, or iPhone for one enormous
> > reason that doesn't come up nearly as often as it should.
> >>>
> >>> While there may be specific cons to an iOS device for specific users,
> > (i.e. the lack of a built-in Braille display), the sheer volume
> of apps that
> > expand the utility of an iOS device outweighs those cons by
> many thousands
> > of times over. No matter what AT device you are talking about,
> it will never
> > be able to do even a tenth of the number of things an
> iPad/iPod/iPhone will.
> > That alone would justify the inconvenience of a separate
> Braille display,
> > for instance.
> >>>
> >>> The iPod touch/iPhone and the iPad with its larger screen are
> radically
> > different devices that have entirely different situations where they are
> > useful. While it is true that if you learn to use one, you will
> know how to
> > use the other, that is essentially where the similarity ends. It's like
> > saying a pay telephone and an iPhone are the same, because they
> both have
> > keypads for making a phone call. (Well, that might be an
> exaggeration, but
> > it proves the point.)
> >>>
> >>> The iPad is much better, in my opinion, as a note-taker or laptop
> > replacement. It offers the best browsing experience of any
> device I've ever
> > used, is great for reading books, managing email, etc.
> >>>
> >>> On the other end of the spectrum, the iPhone or iPod touch is a great
> > portable device for listening to music, identifying money,
> leaving reminders
> > for oneself, browsing on the go, etc.
> >>>
> >>> I have both, and use them in entirely different ways, and I
> can't imagine
> > being without either.
> >>>
> >>> On Oct 9, 2011, at 12:19 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Ultimately, it is your decision, but the orion is more
> expensive unless
> > you want braille for your ipad so need a refreshable braille
> display The
> > ipad2 can do a lot but it is not a product specifically oriented to the
> > blind.
> >>>>
> >>>> You can also buy an ipod touch which is smaller and less
> expensive. It
> > is comparable in features, form and functionality to the ipad 2 but some
> > folk find the ipad 2 to be a bit daunting, some find they like
> they extra
> > spac as well so between the ipod touch and the ipad 2, it is a
> hard call as
> > to that unless of course you want a camera and I can't remember
> if the ipad
> > 2 has a camera in it.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 9, 2011, at 12:06 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Ipad 2 most deffinitely unless you want to wait till the 3 comes out
> > whenever that is.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 9, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Peggy wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Am thinking about getting an IPad2 (sort of). Also thinking maybe I
> > should wait until the braille PDA from NBP comes out. Any thoughts?
> >>>> Peggy & Patty
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