Hey all, I have found a nice little app that can turn off the mac startup sound should one so desire. It is called StartNinja google it and you should find it. Unfortunatly I don't know if it will work for snow leopard or previous versions but I do know it works for Lion which is the OS I have. Anyway for what its worth to me it seemed fully accessible with Voiceover. Install the app through the normally manner open it and you will see the following. Get current settings which is a button followed by an image which has no help tag. This is where you get to the two radio buttons which are simply On and Off. That's basically it there is an unlabelled button or it might be two but I just want to to draw your attention to a thing I didn't discover. This is that when you 1st open the app, 1st of all hit the Get current settings button this will ask you for your password type it in then check the radio button called Off. The reason I'm saying all this is because at 1st I just asumed that oh I can just turn it off that didn't work so I then turned it back on. Trying both these didn't turn off the chine until I hit that button. Once I did that and then turned it off the chine was gone! My reason for mentioning this little app is because if you are like me and know nothing about terminal and scared to issue any commands in that environment in case you mess up your computer and you want to get rid of the chine for some reason or another then this app might be for you. Hope I have helped someone if not then just ignore this message completely! Daniel ************ You are subscribed to the mac4theblind mailing list. The url for this list, where one can unsubscribe or make any changes to their list subscription is: //www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind The list archive is located at //www.freelists.org/archive/mac4theblind/ All emails intended for the list owner can be sent to: john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx