[lit-ideas] Re: speaking of libraries in the United States of Earth

(Leafing through dictionary)  Eeyores, eyeores, eyesore.   Got it.  The human 
race is an eyesore.  Not a bad summation, I wish I had thought of it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mike Geary 
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 8/8/2005 3:55:24 PM 
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: speaking of libraries in the United States of Earth


Ha!  I get annoyed with Andy when he Eeyores the human race, never occurred to 
me that people probably get annoyed with me when I berate America.  Sorry, 
gang, it's not any of you I'm responding to.  It's the Lynne Cheney's and Ann 
Coulters and Newt Gingriches of the world I'm shouting back at.  Those who 
would tout our virtures to excuse our vices.

Mike Geary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Andy Amago 
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 8:08 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: speaking of libraries in the United States of Earth


Mike, this is all true.  People are people and Europeans have distinguished 
themselves as such.  But, no one is cracking down on illegals.  In fact, by 
being illegal they are lining the pockets of the rich and also meeting the 
twisted agenda of Fox.  Instead of doing something to make his country better 
for his people so they don't emigrate, such as it is, by the millions to the 
U.S., he encourages them to leave and send money home.  His economy is 
significantly improved with the added income, and he is not spending on social 
programs like education and healthcare for his people.  Imagine what would 
happen to Mexico if that money stopped flowing and those people demanded from 
him what they get here.  And in the meantime corporate here thinks they're 
getting a real deal, when it's you and I who foot the bills for the Medicaid 
and the schools.  There's no free lunch, Mike.  Somebody pays, and it isn't 
corporate America.  BT W, I don't begrudge the kids getting an education.  On
  the other hand, education isn't highly valued by Hispanics as they have the 
highest drop out rate of any group in this country.  



---- Original Message ----- 
From: Mike Geary 
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 8/8/2005 7:17:06 AM 
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: speaking of libraries in the United States of Earth


MB:
>>Why is MY culture evil and someone able to state that its only values greed 
>>and power??  I grew up with parents who valued family, giving, sharing, 
>>caring.<<

So did I.  And realize that I use the word "evil" as the boogeyman to scare 
people.  Evil has no more meaning than Holy does. But where your relations 
worked the Underground Railroad, mine owned slaves.  My great grandfather did.  
And he lost his right arm fighting to protect his God given right to own human 
beings.  Which side of the coin do you want to look at?  Andy and Eric are 
carping about very, very poor people working illegally in the United States, 
working in appalling conditions for the most part, as if they were causing 
great hardships for this loving and benevolent country. 


>> Please, though!  Please recognize that a good part of who I am, of much of 
>> the 'good' from those from my backgounds and worlds--all of the caring and 
>> sharing and the healthy world citizen type comes from those who had Befores 
>> who came from Europe... << 

 Which Europe?  The one in the 12th Century that went off to the Holy Lands to 
kill Muslims?  Or the one in the 15th through the 20th Century that sought to 
colonize anyone who didn't own a gun, or burn unbelievers at the stake?  Or the 
Europe of Nazism and Fascism and totalitarianism and the Holocaust?  That 
loving, caring Europe?  The Europe that starved six million Ukrainians by 
exporting their grain for the cash to build the USSR?  The Europe that founded 
a new nation conceived in genocide, sustained in slavery and brought to 
fruition through apartheid, that loving, caring American Europe?  That 
European-America that spends more on its military machine than the rest of the 
world combined, the America that has been at war somewhere in the world for the 
last 60 years -- that America?  The America that sloughed off it's poor into 
wretched slum citi es and now is going about abandoning the old and sick so it 
can line the pockets of billionaires with subsidies -- that America?

Of course there's the other Europe, the Europe of astonishing art and 
literature and intellectual achievement.  A Europe of great cities, of great 
culture and civilized conduct, of dedication to human liberty and justice and 
dignity.  There's that America too.  But when folks start whining about the 
very poorest among us and wanting to crack down on them, all I see is that 
other Europe and America -- that hideous death machine ever there, ever waiting 
for someone to push the button.  

Mike Geary
Memphis



----- Original Message ----- 
From: eternitytime1@xxxxxxx 
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 8:03 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: speaking of libraries in the United States of Earth


 Hi,
Hey!!  <g>     I have Befores who have talked at length on such matters--I keep 
thinking I need to write my grandmother's tale of travels in the Middle East 
during the early 1920s...and her Befores were in Pennsylvania and Ohio for a 
long long time...and worked on the Underground Railroad (we used to go to the 
basement when we visited to look at where they used to hide Runaways...)   
There is a strength and a goodness in much of the European Cultures--not just 
the 'greed and power' aspects!  Please--these sweeping generalizations towards 
MY Befores are pretty much as mean as the sweeping generalizations of the 
Befores who came from Latin America, countries in Asia, etc.  

Perhaps we need to do some cultural education of those of us who had folk who 
came from afar--from the European world and not just the cultural festivals of 
Everyone Else!

I don't mind fingerpointing--I deal lots of times with critical folk towards 
myself, my beliefs, my worldview.  I examine all the criticism and if there is 
even one piece of information which I can use to become a better person, then 
the conversation was not completely stupid or in vain.

Please, though!  Please recognize that a good part of who I am, of much of the 
'good' from those from my backgounds and worlds--all of the caring and sharing 
and the healthy world citizen type comes from those who had Befores who came 
from Europe... 

Is it truly that all other cultures are 'okay' and wonderful and have no 
problems with people in them dealing with greed and power?  All other cultures 
are sweet and dear and caring?

I wonder, if diversity is so great, than why is it that MY befores are so hated 
and looked at so horribly that only the 'bad' is looked at and none of the 
'good'?

Thinking of the multicultural fest planning committee that I'm on, the American 
Cultures merit badge workshop that I'm planning, and feeling rather wounded 
within my cultural soul,
Marlena (trying to be a world citizen but sad if that means having to hate her 
own Befores...)

RE:
 this evil white European English speaking culture, it's bloody murder, its 
only values are greed and power. Etc., etc., etc. 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Geary <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

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