[lit-ideas] qed
- From: palma <palma@xxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:04:38 -0400 (EDT)
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010, Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx wrote:
Moore's Paradox is not such -- in German. (Was: Nietzsche).
--- Well, of course that while we all love P. Enns in Indonesia (and
elsewhere) surely his Kantian extract was 'obscurus per obscurius'.
R. Paul goes more to the point:
In a message dated 9/18/2010 1:31:05, rpaul@xxxxxxxx writes:
The Gov of NJ (I think it was) recently said "I have had people come
up to me and tell me that they don't agree with what I'm doing but
they know it has to be done". Is there anywhere in the philosphical
universe where such a statement makes sense?
The philosophical universe is the only place it would make sense.
Anything can make sense there to someone.
---
JL should explain Moore's Paradox to us.
----
I suggested that far (if that's the expression) when I referred to Yost's
(but I should have added Walter O's little obsessions too) with 'pragmatic
contradictions'. Recall the ITM woman that meets Yost in his rambles in NYC:
"Can I ask you a question?"
Yost was arguing that that was a 'pragmatic contradiction', since it's
self-referential, and thus anti-Goedelian:
CAN I* *
*
*
*
*
ask YOU *
a QUESTION? *
Yost: "It seemed to me that the only way to answer that silly question is
by ignoring she had made one, which is what I do."
Moore's paradox:
Governor:
"They all come to me and say, "It is raining, but I don't believe it".
----
Speranza--Bordighera
----- Grice discussed Moore's paradox. "People say that "I don't believe
it" disimplicates. But it doesn't. On my account, but not Moore's, it is NOT
true that when I say that p, I conversationally IMPLICATE that I believe
that p. (If this is what Moore may have meant by his cursory remarks on the
topic of his own paradox)." (I'm relying on memory). "For," Grice continues,
and it's here p. 42 of "Studies in the way of words": "to suppose that I
believe that p (or rather, think of myself as believing that p) is just to
suppose that I am observing the first maxim of Quality on this occasion. And
this is intuitive." Grice goes on: "It is not a natural use of language to
describe one who has said that p as having, for example, 'implied', or
'indicated', or 'suggested' that he believes that p. The natural thing to say,
rather, is that he has expressed (or, strictly, at least purported to
express) the belief that p. A different animal." Grice goes on: "He has, of
course, committed himself, in some way, to its being the case that he believes
that p. Yet, while this commitment is NOT a case of SAYING that he
believes that p (and Moore is right on that front), it is STILL BOUND UP (via
entailment, rather than implicature) with 'saying' that p. But entailment is
perhaps the wrong word. I hope to make the nature of the connection I'm
talking clearer in the forthcoming lecture."
As Chapman notes (as she unburied Grice's lectures), this was Lecture VI,
"On Saying" that Grice gave at Oxford, to his bewildered students.
----
Speranza----Bordighera
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