How do you explain it, Lawrence? > [Original Message] > From: Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 4/13/2006 2:15:41 PM > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: global luke-warming > > On a related subject, or perhaps an earlier one where some here were > imagining what it would be like after we ran out of fossil fuel in 20 years > or so - the end of civilization as we know it or something very near - has > everyone noticed that Brazil will become energy independent this year? They > have kicked their oil addiction and have substituted ethanol: > http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2006-03-28-brazil-ethanol-cover_x.htm?POE= > TECISVA . The article indicates that the U.S. is pursuing ethanol with > greater interest, but we are a long way behind Brazil. Why are we so far > behind? I feel need of another Andreas Big-Oil conspiracy theory. > > > > Lawrence > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On Behalf Of Paul Stone > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:39 AM > To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: global luke-warming > > > > Before anyone jumps all over me as a conservative naysayer who speaks for > > big oil, let me say that I am NOT denying that the consequences of burning > > copious amounts of fossil fuel are that certain things about our > > environment are changing -- pollution and a very slight change in the > > makeup of our atmosphere are obviously consequences. > > > > My argument is with the varying notions of problems gathered under the > > heading of "global warming" which most people don't know the definition of, > > since there really isn't a definition. My trouble is that to imply "the > > planet is warming up" is deliberate misdirection for political reasons so > > that people will 'take notice' of this 'global problem' which is a doomsday > > scenario in its present incarnation. > > > > The thing is, the problem is not well defined so that lots of phenomena > > that normally and naturally happen are brought under the "see, global > > warming IS happening" umbrella and both snow/rain and drought, cold and > > warm, ocean currents and ocean calmness, evaporation and arid conditions > > are all blamed on "global warming." > > > > >The WSJ editorial page is ultra conservative. > > > > > > And... ANY "Green" movement is ultra-liberal. Your point? > > > > > Real quick. Any green movement is ultra-liberal? If you say so. > > > > I reckon. > > > > >Mexico City; Teheran; most of China the air is unbreathable (something like > > >80% of the country) > > > > Do you mean "unbreathable" as in 'will not sustain oxygen breathing life"? > > Or are you just hyperbolizing? > > > > >and many places in China are actually soot covered; > > >India; Madison and Lex in a summer smog alert; > > > > smog alert? You know, I used to live in a city that had regular 'smog > > alerts'. On a summer day, 100 F, hazy, humid as a sauna, and the radio > > would say "there's a smog alert, don't do any strenuous exercise" blah > > blah blah. Our bicycle group would meet and ride our regular 150 km with NO > > ill effects. Of course it might be dangerous for the > > respiratory-challenged, but do we REALLY need to design our societies > > around its illest members? Cleaning up the smog is a noble notion. I WORK > > as an engineer who has as one of my primary jobs, designing systems for > > scrubbing pollutants out of exhaust gases and designing waste water > > treatment facilities. We achieve great results in doing this, but it's a > > long process to retrofit every plant in the industrialized world. AND... > > like I said, the other countries you mention are now going through what we > > already went through. They can't afford to put the blocks to their > > economies just as they are building them up. The notion that dilution is > > the solution to pollution is an old one and hard to break -- Afterall, the > > world is HUGE [he said ironically] -- I think we're getting there. > > > > >L.A. before the clean air legislation; the hundreds of Superfund sites in > > >this country, midnight > > >dumping just about everywhere and on and on. There's acid rain in Alaska, > > >in Ca ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html