[lit-ideas] Re: fiction or non
- From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:34:48 -0500
> [Original Message]
> From: Mike Geary <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 1/13/2006 3:42:02 AM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: fiction or non
>
> Irene:
> > I do know that no self respecting American man will ever go
> > without a tee shirt under a shirt (in fact that's one of the things air
> > marshals look for to distinguish non-American men)
>
> Huh??? I've never worn a tee shirt under a shirt in my life and no one I
> know does.
All that proves is that you're not an American man and no air marshal has
ever caught you in your deception. All these years, Elvis this and Elvis
that. All these years, throwing everybody off the scent, pretending to be
an American. Well I got news for you buddy. Even people from England can
like Elvis, it doesn't prove a thing. Just ask Donal. He'll tell you.
I'll bet he doesn't wear a tee shirt even if he does like Elvis. And I
have it on good authority too that Elvis always wore a tee shirt. And not
Elvis Costello either. So there, Mr. Wise Guy Know It All Good American
Who Has Never Worn a Tee Shirt in His Life. Tell me something I can
believe, okay?
Every time I think I've found some gender distinction, a
> second's reflection brings to mind as many exceptions to the distinction
as
> evidence for it. There are some gender differences, I believe, but
nailing
> them down seems awfully allusive. To me, men generally seem more
dogmatic
> than women, more pretentious than women, more macho than women -- meaning
> they're more desperate to prove they're men than women are to prove
they're
> women. I'm smart enough not to detail the failings of women -- but then,
> there are none -- right, guys?
>
> Mike Geary
> Memphis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:01 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: fiction or non
>
>
> >> [Original Message]
> >> From: Ursula Stange <Ursula@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Date: 1/12/2006 11:10:10 PM
> >> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: fiction or non
> >>
> >> Maybe someone is...and we don't know...
> >>
> >
> > That's so interesting, Paul just said the same thing. I'm clueless.
I'm
> > not seeing anything like that. Am I that obtuse or is male/female just
> > not
> > that noticeable? I'm also having a hard time picking up the tone of
this
> > post. Curmudgeonly is not a problem if that's what it is. Been there
> > done
> > that lots of times myself.
> >
> >
> >> In what way was Andy 'off'?
> >
> >
> > The word "off" is Paul's word. And I think it was a fair description.
> > There were a lot of things that Andy didn't know. For example, in the
> > very
> > beginning, Judy asked Andy about Man Union. Andy was clueless. Later I
> > asked my husband if he ever heard of Man Union and he yeah, of course,
the
> > Manchester Union, the English ... Sports analogies were a problem.
Stuff
> > like that. but nobody ever asked me
> > about tee shirts underneath shirts. Durn.
> >
> >
> >> He was curmudgeonly and opinionated and he seemed to have a lot of time
> >> on his hands.
> >
> >
> > Well, that's because he was curmudgeonly. Always civilized though, and
> > not
> > that much time. It doesn't take long to answer a post.
> >
> >
> >> Sounds like a lot of men I know...
> >>
> >> And do tell us (me) what working at being 'masculine' feels like.
> >
> >
> > See above.
> >
> >
> > Did
> >> you have to wear a hard hat? Did you have to wear blinders (might
> >> explain some of Andy's attitudes...)? Just kidding, guys...(yeah
right).
> >
> >
> > Actually, Andy's opinions were all based in fact. There were no
opinions
> > that were just opinions. All the politics, the economics, the history.
> > None of that was opinions. It was all facts. The religion, yes, that
was
> > opinion, but more like point of view.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On a slightly (very slightly) more serious note, isn't it odd that it's
> >> acceptable for little girls to be tomboys but utterly unacceptable for
> >> little boys to play at being girls.
> >
> >
> > Oh, definitely. That's why I don't expect any takers for guys to try
> > being
> > girls. Girls are guys half the time anyway, the clothes, the careers.
> > Househusbands are still pretty much an oddity.
> >
> >
> > Who makes these things up, anyway?
> >
> >
> > I guess all the non-feminists in the world. If the world were run by
> > feminists, guys would wear/do what they want and so would girls.
> >
> >
> >> Ursula (feeling curmudgeonly herself)
> >
> >
> > Hope you're feeling better.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> in North Bay
> >>
> >> Andy Amago wrote:
> >>
> >> >>[Original Message]
> >> >>From: Ursula Stange <Ursula@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>Date: 1/12/2006 7:42:49 PM
> >> >>Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: fiction or non
> >> >>
> >> >>Has anyone else noticed the 'feminization' of Andy?
> >> >>Just that tiny bit more playfulness....
> >> >>-------------------
> >> >>I've kept this email in abeyance for 5 minutes -- not sure I like the
> >> >>conflation (or implied exclusivity) of feminine and playful...
> >> >>so many of you guys are so wonderfully playful. But there is
something
> >> >>different -- something that keeps reminding me that Andy is now
> >> >>female. I'm wondering if Andy notices...
> >> >>Ursula
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >It's interesting that you pick that up. I think it's a bigger issue.
I
> >> >wondered about it myself. I think there is a difference between a
male
> >> >approach and a female one, at least based on my experience in the
Other
> >> >Dimension Simulator. I had to work at being "masculine", or at least
my
> >> >interpretation of masculine. It was easier for me because Andy, was,
> >> >you
> >> >know, "off", but not too off. I did notice that the guys especially
in
> > the
> >> >beginning were hard on Andy. I think it would be fun if someone else
> > here
> >> >would volunteer to play the other sex. Of course it would be a little
> >> >different since we'd know. I don't know that we'd learn anything,
but
> >> >it
> >> >might be fun. Nah, dumb idea. Forget it.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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