Would you accept pictures of "regular" dead bodies? Say, like they do on the news of mafioso killings? How much regular gore do you think war is limited to, and how much would you accept? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 11/13/2005 7:29:54 AM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Willie Pete's Role Reversal How do you know these are real images from real situations and not doctored or "produced" photos for a political cause? Or for money or sensationalism or whatever. It's so far-fetched I have a hard time believing it's real. Julie Krueger ========Original Message======== Subj:[lit-ideas] Re: Willie Pete's Role Reversal Date:11/12/05 1:45:00 PM Central Standard Time From:andreas@xxxxxxxxxxx To:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent on: > Who in the world do you know that is doing this? > I have good friends who have kids in Iraq. When the German soldiers returned from their war, they all said that they had seen nothing. None of those atrocities or abuses. When the US soldiers returned from Vietnam, they all said that they had seen nothing. None of those atrocities or abuses. When the US soldiers return from Afghanistan and Iraq, they all say that they had seen nothing. None of those atrocities or abuses. Of course not. These are good boys, returning to their homes, their moms, their communities. What else would they say? But what did these nice boys do, when they were 12,000 miles away on the other side of the planet? These are young men, with their overactive male hormones, with their buddies, in a completely lawless area, armed to the teeth and they can do whatever they goddamn fucking feel like doing. These are soldiers at war. War is not nice. (Hey, that's another truism for Phil!) Soldiers are not trained to be nice. They are not trained to be respectful. They are trained to kill. How do you deal with a threat? You kill it. Any potential threat? You kill it. But there's more to war than the military stuff. There's the whore houses, the pornography, and the booze, all in massive amounts. And when they return home, they're nice young boys again. http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18414 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4278734.stm http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/iraq/#Conduct Be careful with this next one. It's not nice. (Phil, don't click on this one). It doesn't have nice boys in it. It has language and situations. http://www.eastbayexpress.com/Issues/2005-09-21/news/news.html Okay. Deep breath. You wanna see the Freedom Standing Tall? You wanna see smoked sand niggers? God Bless America! http://www.nowthatsfuckedup.com/bbs/forum23.html yrs, andreas www.andreas.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html