---- Original Message ----- From: To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 11/12/2005 1:18:55 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Willie Pete's Role Reversal MOST of the young men and women (and even middle-aged men and women) who are in Iraq really ARE trying to protect the civilians and to set up the stage so that the Iraqis can have self-rule, etc. A.A. How are they doing this? I keep thinking of my son's bus driver whose son is in Iraq, my other friend whose son just left, the man whose two sons were there--and knowing that each of those boys would die for an Iraqi civilian to save him/her from an insurgent. A.A. I'm not so sure about that. They died because they got hit by an insurgent. Are you suggesting they sacrificed themselves? Seems to me charity begins at home. Shades of Koenigsberg, if our boys are so sacrificeable, what does life mean? My son may very likely be there one day along with many of his friends. A.A. Those were the predictions before the invasion, that it would take a decade or even much longer to get out. NOT because they think the war is 'just' but because it would give them a venue to help clean up our mess. I know them. They care A.A. Care about what? Sacrificing themselves? No wonder the world is a mess. and they would NOT be running around in speedos... A.A. Uh, Marlena, he wasn't serious. They're not really running around in Speedos. Or shooting goats. (tell that to the parents of the kids who were killed because of lack of armor on their vehicles. Or the fact that there were not even very many Humvees even OVER there for a long long time...) I wish you could meet some of these young ones. I know that they want the families of Iraq to go back to being able to live 'regular lives' such as they themselves have had (though without the fear that their family members might disappear to satisfy Saddam's latest purge) A.A. The irony of it all. There can be no regular lives as long as our boys are sacrificing themselves. No good deed goes unpunished ... Andy Hoping my dismay will settle down so that I can write a more literary or philosophical essay on this, Marlena in Missouri