Paul Stone wrote: "but colloquially, Ice is in fact, water." Wouldn't it be that, colloquially, ice is frozen water? As you know, successfully playing pond hockey requires some clarity regarding the difference between water and ice. I bring up the example of hockey since that and the weather define colloquial conversation in Canada. Sincerely, Phil Enns ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html