On 12/27/06, Phil Enns <phil.enns@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
It isn't clear how this is a response to the strawman set up in the passage from Langer. After all, Geertz' 'thick description' is aimed at something that can't be adequately accounted for solely with empirical descriptions.
1. Is Langer's argument a strawman? I am perfectly willing to agree that Langer may have been describing the habits of the philosophers she met at professional meetings and symposia circa 1950 and that philosophers habits may have been different before or after that time. But Phil's "strawman" is like Walter's "serious philosophers." Both count for nothing more than a bit of snide without some indication of what, precisely, those who utter them are talking about. 2. Neither Geertz nor Langer is a naive empiricist.And Geertz, at least, spent his carrier arguing for a view of interpretation that regards all "empirical" descriptions as embedded in presuppositions about what the "facts" might mean. (Thus, just one example, his use of Ryle's tics, winks, and theatrical simulations of winks.) On the other hand, Phil's "can't be accounted for solely with empirical descriptions" is, while true and once an insightful remark, now a pompous cliche. Consider, by way of contrast, Langer's dismissal of those who refuse to search for definitive answers on the assumption that no definitive answer is possible. "When everybody is duly impressed with the impossibility of really meeting a challenge, we can claim too much indulgence; any failure may be excused as a 'mere approximation.' Consequently there is today, practically no standard of philosophical work. Professional journals are full of stale arguments that do not advance their topics in any way, and forums leave their profound questions exactly as unanswered and unanswerable as they were before. The sort of effort and ingenuity that goes into solving scientific or historical problems would immediately analyze and blast the questions, replace them with more leading and suggestive ones, and then invent means of finding real answers. When there is a premium on definitive answers, people spend a good deal of time and labor on intellectual devices for handling difficult issues. Scientists rarely talk about scientific method, but they often find most elaborate and devious ways of turning a question so as to make it accessible to *some* method of investigation that will yield a solution. It is the problem that dictates the approach. Philosophers, on the other hand, usually decide on an approach to philosophical problems in general, and then tackle the age-old chestnuts--so traditionally chewed over that they have capitalized names: the Problem of Being, the Problem of Evil, etc." Langer may be wrong about what philosophers actually do. What she writes may be anachronistic or slander. Being only a philosopher wannabe, I will happily wait for Walter or Phil to tell me what they have in mind. A couple of examples would be most welcome. John -- John McCreery The Word Works, Ltd., Yokohama, JAPAN http://www.wordworks.jp/