Robert Paul wrote: "Phil Enns responds to John's complaint that the referent of the expression 'serious philosopher' is nowhere described by retorting that 'serious philosopher' is precise enough for government work and that 'modern philosopher' is no more precise. (Take that!)" Not quite. My point is that it is odd to require, for the purposes of this discussion, more precision regarding the meaning of the expression 'serious philosopher' when the expression 'modern philosopher' is taken to be sufficiently precise to make the argument. Discussions take place with varying degrees of precision, but presumably one ought not to expect of one's interlocuter more precision than oneself is willing to give. It seems to me that Walter's use of the expression 'serious philosopher' is not meant to be precise, picking out a particular class of individuals, but useful for making a general distinction. To ask of him to list criteria for seriousness strikes me as being on the same level as asking for criteria for warmness. Of course, I could be wrong, and Walter does have particular criteria in mind. In which case, nevermind. Sincerely, Phil Enns Glen Haven, NS ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html