[lit-ideas] What The Butler Saw
- From: Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:21:35 EDT
I sort of recently learned that "What the butler saw" was a sort of
machine found in places like Brighton, pornographic in nature. And of course
title of Orton's brilliant play.
I claim 'what the butler saw' was _it_. (as in Cole Porter, "argentines
without means do it").
The It Boy
"It is raining (What is _it_?)" Strawson 1952
In a message dated 4/27/2009 5:10:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mr.eric.yost@xxxxxxxxx writes:
Wondering whether "it" will be water drops falling
from condensed atmospheric vapor, or whether it
will merely be mostly masses of water and ice
particles suspended at a significant altitude
above the process of my point of view,
Yosting
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Well, Strawson (1952) at least, does make the naive question (naive I'm
using jocularly), as per header.
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His polemic with Grice was time-honoured.
I don't think Grice was disturbed by 'it' or 'es' in "es regnet" or "it
rains".
Yes, water drops can be the answer. But it should be _they_ rain then.
In the Romance languages, the subject is never espressed, at least in
Italian and Spanish. It is mentioned in French ('il pleut') confusingly.
"Piove" or "llueve" in Italian and Spanish respectively. It _is_ third person,
singular, though. but at least it's not rudely masculine as in French, or
sillily neuter as in German or English.
I forget what the Romans said. Possibly didn't. "pluvit". It's like "Life
of Brian" ("Romans Go Home" -- 'ite domum, romani').
Chomsky analyzed the 'it'. I call him the It-Boy for that.
When I find 'it' I know what it is; it's usely a worm" (The Duck, in The
Mouse's Tail) -- "But one wonders what the archbishop found". (Dodgson).
Cheers,
JLS
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