Brian: >>Actually I was asking what it is you think I was trying to do but failed at. >>I thought Hewitt's comments were provocative and believe it is a fascinating >>question....So are you under the impression I was trying to convert people >>here to Hewitt's way of thinking and failed?<< Aha. Yes, I was under that impression, believing that you more or less agreed with Hewitt. I didn't really find Hewitt's thoughts so much provocative as pedestrian. I doubt you thought them provocative either, but thought we liberals would find them so. Sorry, been there, done that. >>In the interest of full disclosure I support the military and esteem those >>that serve, though I have not served.<< So do I, though I have not served either. I also esteem policemen and firemen and pharmacists and garbagemen and business executives and winos and crack addicts though I've never been any of them. I esteem myself though I've never been the me I esteem. I even esteem conservatives. Wow! Am I big souled or what? >>Hewitt's position is no more negated by his lack of service than those that >>said to abolitionists "don't like slavery? Don't own one."<< So this should hold true for all ethical questions, yes? Like: "Don't like murder? Don't murder. Now get out of my face" "Don't like thievery? Don't steal. Now, get out of my face." Etc. Sounds good to me, I been looking for license. But Hewitt's doing more than that. He's saying don't do as I did, do as I should have done had I been the kind of person I want you to be. Sure thing, Hugh. Mike Geary still in Memphis ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 10:11 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: What Did You Do When America Was Attacked? I thought Hewitt's comments were provocative and believe it is a fascinating question. At least for our Presidents we tend to like certain things (they are men, clean shaven, married, etc.) and the country honors those leaders that served in the military. I think he overstates it when he says it will be "very, very difficult" for non-military politicians in twenty years but I do think the question will come up. ~Brian PS From my great-grandfather to my grandfather to my own father there was an unbroken chain of service across several branches of the armed forces and they served this country honorably. Arguments don't have genders or colors or records of service. On Dec 19, 2006, at 8:19 AM, Mike Geary wrote: Or were you asking why I would use that expression? Just trying to take the sting out of rejection.