The implication of the passage below is that the officer is cruel because he finds it "fun" to shoot and kill people. However, the underlying meaning contained within the story has to do with morality. It is only because his culture tells him that it is GOOD = to kill that he is allowed to express the sentiment that it is FUN to kill. Beneath every case of slaughter carried out in the name of civilization, there is MORAL RIGHTEOUSNESS. It is not cruelty or = pleasure in inflicting cruelty that is the central issue (or problem), but how civilizations come to define killing and cruelty as GOOD. Richard Koenigsberg -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx = [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robert Paul Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 5:18 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Virility and Slaughter WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A three-star Marine general who said it was "fun to shoot some people" should have chosen his words more carefully, the Marine = Corps commandant said Thursday. Lt. Gen. James Mattis, who commanded Marine expeditions in Afghanistan = and Iraq, made the comments Tuesday during a panel discussion in San Diego, California. "Actually it's quite fun to fight them, you know. It's a hell of a = hoot," Mattis said, prompting laughter from some military members in the audience. = "It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up there with you. I like brawling. "You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five = years because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis said. "You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot = them." Mattis' press office has not yet responded to a request to answer = questions about his comments. However, the Marine commandant, Gen. Michael Hagee, defended Mattis, = calling him "one of this country's bravest and most experienced military leaders." "While I understand that some people may take issue with the comments = made by him, I also know he intended to reflect the unfortunate and harsh = realities of war," he said in a written statement. "Lt. Gen. Mattis often speaks with = a great deal of candor." Hagee said he had counseled Mattis regarding the remarks and that Mattis "agrees he should have chosen his words more carefully." =20 [complete story at http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/03/general.shoot/index.html] Robert Paul Reed College ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html