[lit-ideas] Re: Valentine's Day Meditations
- From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:02:47 -0500
Just real quick. Remembrances of Things Past. People remember things
better than they really were. I suspect if, like Ebeneezer Scrooge, you
were transported into the past, you'd see the flaws you now forgot. I
think what people are attracted to in remembering the teenage years is a
time that they *recollect* as safer, easier, simpler, because they had less
responsibility, had someone taking care of them, not because it was
necessarily less anxious. I caught a movie while channel surfing once on
exactly this issue. It was a reunion where everybody got together and
relived their teenage years, only to find out that the catty ones were
still catty, and so on. If your situation was different, then certainly
that's fine.
I don't think there's anything wrong with oral sex. I think there's
something wrong with it based on motive. If it's peer pressure or
something along those lines, then it's not so good. It's probably better
than regular sex since there's no risk of pregnancy. STD can still be
transmitted I think. Per the NYT (but what do they know) girls care about
boys' sexual pleasure more than boys care about girls. I don't know how
much of hooking up is hype anyway. It seems with the conservative backlash
regarding marriage instead of career, I would think sex would be less
casual but maybe it isn't.
For Judy, I used Diana and Charles as an example of what looks good from
the outside isn't so good on the inside. Lots of voluntary marriages end
up like that too, rich, poor, in the middle, everybody. Hollywood does it
all the time. Donald Trump, etc.
I have nothing more to say on this or anything else. See ya.
> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Stone <pas@xxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 2/15/2006 3:19:07 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Valentine's Day Meditations
>
> At 02:52 PM 2/15/2006, you wrote:
> >For what it's worth, I'll comment that teenage sex looks good from the
> >outside. On the inside it's fraught with anxiety.
>
> Again with the generalizations. I wouldn't trade my high school years for
> ANYTHING!!! I'm 25 times more anxious now that I was 25 years ago -- not
> about sex of course, but maybe that's just it.
>
> >Often it's a search for love and a settling for sex.
>
> For boys, it's a search for sex. Number ONE on the list every morning
when
> they wake up with morning wood.
>
> >Maybe the newest generations of kids will change that with their
"hooking
> >up" and allegedly normalizing of oral sex as not really sex.
>
> I think the best thing about my (and all the other people I've talked to
> around my age) teenage sex was that we very rarely 'went all the way',
but
> god those 4 hour petting sessions sure got a lot of bumpers lifted and a
> lot of emotions worked out.
>
> I'm sure that today's teens have certain things they 'do' and certain
> things they don't. I don't know why you are so offended by the
> "normalizing" of oral sex. Oh were it so in my day! You think teenage sex
> is bad, dangerous, anxiety-inducing etc. I say the exact the opposite --
> it's perfectly natural and healthy for teens to be fully curious and
> desirous of sex -- it's called development. The fact that boys are
rabidly
> horny and girls show restraint doesn't change all that much later in
life,
> it's just that women need to beat us off [in both ways] less, later in
> life. The dynamic doesn't really change.
>
> > (Does Maureen Dowd address this in her book?)
>
> It's still sitting on the shelf. Maybe I'll get to it before next
Christmas.
>
> > I suspect that some variation of "loose" is still applied to girls,
and
> > fuck you has not morphed into a positive expression. When Princess Di
> > and Prince Charles got married, they were the classic lucky couple,
> > picture of happiness. Their marriage turned into a nightmare.
Likewise,
> > all those balloons and teddy bears make a nice cover for the untold
story
> > underneath.
> >
> >Apologies to Lawrence. He's a nice guy, loves his country. I love my
> >country too. We love it in different ways. That's because it's a
> >democracy and we can do that.
>
> I WOULD love mine, but apparently [according to someone on the OTHER
list]
> it doesn't exist.
>
> still hollow,
> p
>
> ##########
> Paul Stone
> pas@xxxxxxxx
> Kingsville, ON, Canada
>
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