# [lit-ideas] Re: Twater -- English Philosophical Lexicon

• From: "Mike Geary" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
• To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
• Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 23:08:57 -0500

```JL:

"> Geary's expertise in air-conditioning I had higher hopes in. He mentions
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```pressure and temperature:

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Objections to 'pressure'. If a piano falls on me, the pressure is high, but
```surely I am still a living being, if I survive. -- there's no CHEMICAL
change involved, only physical.
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One would certainly have had higher hopes for the Loeb's Pool Side Librarian's understand of basic science than is on display here. Water only boils (turns into a vapor, evaporates) at 212 degrees Fahrenheit (100 degrees by the sissy European centigrade scale) when the atmospheric pressure is 14.69 psia. At .5 psia water boils at 79.6 degrees F. At 1000 psia water boils at 545 degrees F. Most people would say that demonstrates a relationship between pressure and temperature. The two go hand in hand. Never any variance. Almost all "things" exist in three states depending on the pressure and temperature (some skip a stage, like CO2 and sublimate). Even you, you Ligurian stud you, will at a certain temperature and pressure either evaporate or solidify or remain a softie.
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```The temperature argument is equally minimisable:
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According to Gurry's taxonomy of things the criterion is when the temperature too high: 'vapour' things, when the temperature 'cosi-cosa': 'water' when the temperature very low: ice.<<
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Wrong again. -- It's the relationship between pressure and temperature. They go together like a horse and carriage, you can't have one without the other. In a deep enough vacuum,water can boil at 32 degrees F (0 C) instead of freeze. Get it yet?
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```Surely the freezing of water and the steaming of water is a physical
process (not chemical) that every schoolboy is familiar with.
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It's a change of phase. How the molecules bond to one another changes very dramatically according to how much energy they have. There more to life, JL, than is dreamt of in your linguistics. I claim that water is not ice, ice is not steam and steam is not water. There are the same compound with very different characteristics. It is those characteristics that seem important to me. You don't cook with ice. You don't cool your drink with water.
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Mike Geary
Memphis

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----- Original Message ----- From: <Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx>
```To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 6:48 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Twater -- English Philosophical Lexicon

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```In a message dated 7/8/2009 6:20:05 P.M. Eastern  Daylight Time,
karltrogge@xxxxxxxx writes:
I apologize to the list for my  careless wording and ESPECIALLY to JL
Speranza for my cranky response  --Karl Trogge
Kiel, Germany

He's back! I'm so happy! So what's her  surname, Khol?

I actually thought another unwanted implicature was that someone was
planning to 'blind' and 'deafen' any noisy neighbour.

P. Stone is right: 'nanny' is not a Navajan concept.

Geary is wrong that words are arbitrary. Surely I cannot think of another
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word for 'mom' other than 'mom. There is no language where 'mother' doesn't
```start with 'm' -- cfr. 'mam-ary gland'.

Omar: what's 'water' in your native tongue? (I know in Russian -- Walter's
mother tongue -- it's -vodka-).

---

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P. Stone minimises my 'derision and mockery' in the rather elaborated words
```of Mr. Trogge.

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Grice calls this: the devil of scienticism (scientism).

As Putnam notes, "H20" is a reduction definition of 'water'. It's a
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scientific reduction definition. As in Eddington's famous "Two tables" -- which
```one is real: the almost empty one, or the real one?

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He said words to the effect that _things_ in the word can be taxonomised
according the following criterion:

colloquially: 'water', 'ice', 'vapour'.

things

non-colloquially: 'H20'.

Surely that's naive, so I took the liberty to express the dichotomy in
philosophical terms, what Grice calls 'trouser-words':

Ice is, _really_, water.

P. A. Stone may have said it only 5 times, but for philosophers once is
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enough. Unless you say "ice is not really water" you have not cancelled your
```claim.

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Now, Grice notes: 'water' and 'ice' belong to the SAME level. What he calls
```'stone-age metaphysics'. (cfr. Eskimo words for 'snow', i.e. frozen water,
or  congelaed aquatic, 'agua congelada, hielo, in Spanish).

So, it's totally arbitrary to suppose that the direction goes in one  way:

ice is  really water

rather than, rather, in the other:

water is  really ice

Geary's expertise in air-conditioning I had higher hopes in. He mentions
pressure and temperature:

```
Objections to 'pressure'. If a piano falls on me, the pressure is high, but
```surely I am still a living being, if I survive. -- there's no CHEMICAL
change involved, only physical.

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The temperature argument is equally minimisable:

According to Gurry's taxonomy of things the criterion is

when the temperature too high: 'vapour'

things    when  the temperature 'cosi-cosa': 'water'

when the temperature very low: ice.

Surely the freezing of water and the steaming of water is a physical
process (not chemical) that every schoolboy is familiar with.

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(INTERLUDE TO R. Paul: Of course I would be irated if some person violently
```blinded or deafen someone. The worst thing is I thought K. Trogge was
attempting  that on Helen Kohl)

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For Aristotle, only CHEMICAL processes count for 'trans-substantiation' --
and I, like Grice, don't follow him there --. For Grice and I it's only
METAPHYSICAL trans-substantiation that counts .

So, to taxonomise things according to the temperature we feel more 'comfy'
with sounds offensive to my ear.

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Now, Grice uses the "Martian" example in "Some remarks about the  senses"

Putnam takes that from Grice.

Grice writes, googlebooks, "Putnam (of all people)"

"I was criticised for being too formal (by Putnam, of all  people)"

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Putnam wanting to sound witty, concocted the 'twater'. -- which recently
has been reworded as 'schwater' and 'schmwater'.

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'tw*t' is a very LOW slang, for the OED. Browing was confused about it, and
```makes it rhyme with 'what' in "Pippa Passes". The meaning, Browning
thought, was  'a nun's attire', or part whereof.

The urban dictionary online defines 'twater' (i.e. Putnam's _word_) as
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'slang for v*ginal j*ices'. So, I propose -- since Eric Yost is patronising
```the English Language

twater:  term introduced into philosophical  discourse
in English -- but found to  be untranslatable to
other languages -- by  Hilary Putnam. See 'water'.

---- Etc.

J. L. Speranza
Buenos Aires, Argentina

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