I am resending this since Freelists seems to be in a strange mood today. Lawrence, Perhaps we could start by a rather commonplace move, by taking a look at some of the ME newspapers. Granted that most of these newspapers are to a greater or lesser extent controlled by the local regimes, still the people whro write in them are real people. Would these people not count as moderates in your opinion, and if not, why ? I am not asking this question because I especially seek to promote these people or these newspapers (Daily Star is probably the best) but because I would like to understand what you mean when you demand that we produce 'moderates.' O.K. http://www.dailystar.com.lb/ http://english.daralhayat.com/ http://www.ahram.org.eg/weekly/ http://www.cairotimes.com/ http://www.jordantimes.com/ http://www.arabnews.com/ http://www.gulf-news.com http://www.dailytimes.com.pk http://www.metimes.com/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html