[lit-ideas] The things war never solves
- From: Eric Dean <ecdean99@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:13:00 +0000
Lawrence Helm defies anyone to say that wars never *decide* anything, by
contrast with the mulishly repeated nonsense that "war never solves anything",
as he characterizes the phrase.
I don't understand why Lawrence finds that phrase so nonsensical. The phrase,
it seems to me, means that the losers in a war generally do not take the loss
as the reason to give up the position they had previously taken.
I think that there's a hidden quibble about the meaning of 'taking a position'
at play here. Generally the losers of a war can no longer occupy the position
they previously occupied in the sense of having political control over a
geographic space -- Germany no longer occupied France at the end of World War
II, for example.
But die-hard Nazis did not give up the 'position' (i.e. the idea) that Germany
*should* occupy France.
That's the sense in which war never solves anything, as I understand the
phrase. The disputes that lead to war do not go away just because someone wins
the war and someone loses. All that happens is that the winner has a greater
chance of forcing the loser to act like he or she has accepted the winner's
views than he or she had before. Of course the loser might come to resent the
domination...
And if one understands 'decide' in the same sense as I'm suggesting one might
understand 'solves', then I would be happy to say that wars never decide
anything, other than who happens to have won that war that time.
One of the things we parents try to teach our children is how to handle their
conflicts without physical fighting, because the physical fight doesn't really
settle what's at issue in a conflict -- unless all that's at issue is whether
Mike or Sue gets to eat the last piece of pie... And while Mike might get the
piece of pie away from Sue by pushing her aside, Sue might also look for a way
to get her own back later, so even that physical conflict that might be said to
decide the question of who gets a particular physical thing at a particular
time does not decide the issue between Mike and Sue for all time.
Parents don't succeed in eradicating physical conflict between their kids. No
more should we expect that arguments against war are going to eradicate violent
conflict between large groups of adults. But neither of those points means we
should abandon the effort to reduce the frequency of violent conflict. One of
the techniques in reducing such conflict is to remind conscious adult human
beings that physical conflict does not resolve non-physical sources of
conflict. That's every bit as true and practical a bit of insight as is the
notion that the aggressors in our midst aren't going to stop because we wish
they would.
Conflict will always be with us. It can actually be constructive and healthy
-- otherwise there wouldn't even be the phrase 'healthy debate'. The real
question is how we handle conflict, what we do with it, not whether it exists.
Physical conflict is destructive -- things get destroyed, people get wounded,
maimed and killed. Is it really such a naive and foolish thing to look for
alternatives for handling conflict that do not result in physical destruction?
Doing so needn't mean we abandon the capacity to defend ourselves, nor that we
inherently reject any argument for war. It only means that we really do try to
find alternatives before firing the first shot.
Regards to all,
Eric Dean
Washington DC
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