[lit-ideas] Re: The Strident Voice of Defeat
- From: JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx
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- Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:35:14 EST
My mistake. I apparently misunderstood you, Lawrence, to suggest that the
war in Iraq was inextricably linked to the War on Terror and a prevention of
another 9/11 episode. Once more (in this revolving door of opinions and
statements), if the U.S. declared war in Iraq because Hussein was a horrible
tyrannical dictator, there are bigger fish in the sea. You just can't have it
both ways. The war in Iraq is because either Hussein was critical to the War
on
Terror or because he was a profoundly bad guy. Or...the war in Iraq is
because Hussein was critical to the War on Terror (i.e. contributed to 9/11,
allied with Bin Ladin in theory/ideology if not in practice), and was a
profoundly bad guy.
I'm not one to hold Aristotelian rules as unbreakable, but you, sir, are I
think.
Julie Krueger
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Julie, in order to make your statement true, you have to assume Ursula
intended an argument something along the lines of the following:
Saddam should have been deposed if and only if he was an Islamic Militant
Saddam was not an Islamic Militant
Therefore Saddam should not be deposed.
Lawrence
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So "Hussein had nothing to do with Militant Islam" [Statement made by
Ursula] is a false premise?
Julie Krueger
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Sure. You need to understand that I made the first statement and Ursula
made the second one. Sere bracketed names indicating who made which
statement.
I hope that helps.
Lawrence
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Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:58 PM
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Okay, 'scuse please. Will someone apply formal logic to this? It really
should come from someone well-versed in the current world of philo....
"Our war is against Militant Islam" [Statement made by Lawrence]
"Hussein had nothing to do with Militant Islam" [Statement made by Ursula]
"Therefore attacking Hussein is part of the war on Militant Islam"
Julie Krueger
deciding to just watch tv -- what the hell
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Just how many times do you have to be told that our war is against Militant
Islam?
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On Behalf Of Ursula Stange
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 2:53 PM
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Just how many times do you have to be told that Saddam Hussein had
nothing to do with 9/11 or with Militant Islam? This makes no moral
difference to you?
Ursula
Lawrence Helm wrote:
> ...and to use a quote from Thomas Barnett, kindly provided to us by
> Brian, "We're mad as hell after 9/11, we're not going to take it
> anymore, and we're going to go in and lay a big bang on this part of
> the world, try to shake things up by taking down the biggest, baddest
> actor in the region, and establishing the possibility of a new order."
> This by the way is very much in keeping with the Islamic sense of
> honor (see /Honor, a History, /by James Bowman).
>
> Lawrence
>
>
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