[lit-ideas] Re: The Monster is dead
- From: JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:29:04 EST
Who's going to teach it if all there are are monsters and people who are
convinced they know how to do it? Re. Camus -- you have painted yourself into
such a black corner that if what you most ardently say to be true were to be
true, the human race would still be doomed to unending hopelessness and agony.
You don't "sound" as if you want peace, joy, growth, but as if you relish
the black with a certain clutching because at least it is predictable. All
the while talking of what things could be like if only everyone understood
what
you do about how to do it.
Pollyanna
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It's not possible unless it's taught, and nobody wants to learn it.
Everybody is convinced they know how to do it, and here we are. I'm all for
it, you
all are against it, and you call me pessimistic. What are the pieces that
aren't fitting together here?
If I say that things are learned and therefore they can be done better
because they can be learned better, where do you see the hopelessness in that?
Where does Camus fit in here?
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From: JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx
Sent: Dec 31, 2006 6:30 PM
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The Monster is dead
I must be writing obliquely, at best. The problem I find with your position
is that if monsters create monsters create monsters there is a world of
monsters without a way to step outside of that "place". After all, a monster
isn't going to do good parenting. But more than that, it seems that you want
very much to paint people into black & white corners. You are starting to
remind me of Camus. There really is no good in your world, it seems. No
wonder
I am "Pollyanna" to you. You state wonderful ideals -- parents guiding
children w/out spanking them, people treating one another as real human beings
--
and yet in the same breath you assert that such a thing is not possible on
this planet in this species. Cynicism is the flip side of idealism, I
realize. But to assert that Joy is possible and simultaneously that it is not
....
I'm thinking a few swims with schools of dolphins would cheer you.
Julie Krueger
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Subj: [lit-ideas] Re: The Monster is dead Date: 12/31/2006 5:07:20 P.M.
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If there is no cause and effect, what is there? Maybe theologically
something came of nothing, but on planet Earth, by definition effects have
causes.
I also said over and over that victims create victims. Saddam was created,
along with all the other monsters. I hear you saying there is no cause, no
effect, things just happen, let's just sweep it all under the rug, perhaps
rejoice that a monster [read: a once terrorized child] is now dead. I don't
understand that at all.
-----Original Message-----
From: JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx
Sent: Dec 31, 2006 3:48 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The Monster is dead
Thank you. I needed a laugh today. You wouldn't believe the reaction I
would get from people who know me if I told them I'd been referred to as
Pollyanna. If you read my post a little more clearly, I wasn't saying there
aren't
monsters out there. I have grieved more than I care to share with the
cyberspace world over so many monsters -- distant, long or soon gone, and
personal.
And I did not intend to imply that everything is cool. I merely was
attempting to address the cause & effect basis of your theory, wondering about
the
logic of it. Where monster's come from is a logically fallacious reaction
to my post. One does not easily counter a flaw in their logic by suggesting
that a better explanation be put forth. I doubt the list is interested in a
theological or philosophical dialogue on where monsters come from. Again,
that would not solve the problem of the chicken and the egg notion you seem to
clutch so strongly. The more I consider it, your position is pretty much a
blame-game. Another hand I've played strongly over the years. But it rarely,
if ever, is successful or useful.
For whatever my two cents aren't worth,
Julie Krueger
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