[lit-ideas] Re: The Monster is dead

  • From: Andy Amago <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:01:06 -0500 (GMT-05:00)

It's not possible unless it's taught, and nobody wants to learn it.  Everybody is convinced they know how to do it, and here we are.  I'm all for it, you all are against it, and you call me pessimistic.  What are the pieces that aren't fitting together here?
 
If I say that things are learned and therefore they can be done better because they can be learned better, where do you see the hopelessness in that?  Where does Camus fit in here? 
 


 
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From: JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx
Sent: Dec 31, 2006 6:30 PM
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The Monster is dead

I must be writing obliquely, at best.  The problem I find with your position is that if monsters create monsters create monsters there is a world of monsters without a way to step outside of that "place".  After all, a monster isn't going to do good parenting.  But more than that, it seems that you want very much to paint people into black & white corners.  You are starting to remind me of Camus.  There really is no good in your world, it seems.  No wonder I am "Pollyanna" to you.  You state wonderful ideals -- parents guiding children w/out spanking them, people treating one another as real human beings -- and yet in the same breath you assert that such a thing is not possible on this planet in this species.  Cynicism is the flip side of idealism, I realize.  But to assert that Joy is possible and simultaneously that it is not ....  I'm thinking a few swims with schools of dolphins would cheer you. 
 
Julie Krueger
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Subj: [lit-ideas] Re: The Monster is dead
Date: 12/31/2006 5:07:20 P.M. Central Standard Time
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If there is no cause and effect, what is there?  Maybe theologically something came of nothing, but on planet Earth, by definition effects have causes.  I also said over and over that victims create victims.  Saddam was created, along with all the other monsters.  I hear you saying there is no cause, no effect, things just happen, let's just sweep it all under the rug, perhaps rejoice that a monster [read: a once terrorized child] is now dead.  I don't understand that at all.
 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx
Sent: Dec 31, 2006 3:48 PM
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The Monster is dead

Thank you.  I needed a laugh today.  You wouldn't believe the reaction I would get from people who know me if I told them I'd been referred to as Pollyanna.  If you read my post a little more clearly, I wasn't saying there aren't monsters out there.  I have grieved more than I care to share with the cyberspace world over so many monsters  -- distant, long or soon gone, and personal.  And I did not intend to imply that everything is cool.  I merely was attempting to address the cause & effect basis of your theory, wondering about the logic of it.  Where monster's come from is a logically fallacious reaction to my post.  One does not easily counter a flaw in their logic by suggesting that a better explanation be put forth.  I doubt the list is interested in a theological or philosophical dialogue on where monsters come from.  Again, that would not solve the problem of the chicken and the egg notion you seem to clutch so strongly.  The more I consider it, your position is pretty much a blame-game.  Another hand I've played strongly over the years.  But it rarely, if ever, is successful or useful.
 
For whatever my two cents aren't worth,
 
Julie Krueger
 
 
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