[lit-ideas] Re: The Monster is dead

Thank you.  I needed a laugh today.  You wouldn't believe the  reaction I 
would get from people who know me if I told them I'd been referred to  as 
Pollyanna.  If you read my post a little more clearly, I wasn't saying  there 
aren't 
monsters out there.  I have grieved more than I care to share  with the 
cyberspace world over so many monsters  -- distant, long or soon  gone, and 
personal.  And I did not intend to imply that everything is  cool.  I merely 
was 
attempting to address the cause & effect basis  of your theory, wondering about 
the 
logic of it.  Where monster's come from  is a logically fallacious reaction 
to my post.  One does not easily counter  a flaw in their logic by suggesting 
that a better explanation be put  forth.  I doubt the list is interested in a 
theological or philosophical  dialogue on where monsters come from.  Again, 
that would not solve the  problem of the chicken and the egg notion you seem to 
clutch so strongly.   The more I consider it, your position is pretty much a 
blame-game.  Another  hand I've played strongly over the years.  But it rarely, 
if ever, is  successful or useful.
 
For whatever my two cents aren't worth,
 
Julie Krueger
 
 
<<Why am I not surprised that Pollyanna is here to tell us that  what's out 
there isn't really what's out there.  After 4,000 some years of  not only never 
ending war and holocausts, but increasingly lethal never ending  war and 
holocausts, Pollyanna thinks everything is cool.  Maybe you can  even tell us 
the 
Holocaust out of among countless holocausts never happened,  people are just 
to good to do things like that. Yes, Polly, democracy is on the  march, get 
those terrorists before they get us...  BTW, where do  monsters come from?>>
 

-----Original  Message----- 
From: JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx 
Sent: Dec 31, 2006 1:44 AM  
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The Monster is  dead 

<<But monsters are created by people. >>
 
Irene -- 
 
You're ignoring the vicious cycle part of what you have been saying for  
months.
 
If monsters are created by people and people are created by  people....
 
c'mon.  You're smarter than that.  Either there is hope or  there isn't.  
Either there is grace or there isn't.
 
If there is no hope and no grace, you're barking up a useless tree.   If 
there is...... there is.
 
Apparently monsters (people who are monsters) are created by people  who seem 
not to have a choice in your world, and who have as their only  option 
(because of their bad parenting) to parent their children badly  and there is 
no 
hope, no escape.  Indeed, no actual beauty or joy to  life unless/until the 
cycle 
of harm is broken; but your visage does  not allow the possibility of grace 
or change or learning, of any possibility  of healing.  
 
For some bizarre reason I want to hum "Nothing comes from nothing,  nothing 
ever could" 
 
<<But monsters are created by  people. >>

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