<<But monsters are created by people. >> Irene -- You're ignoring the vicious cycle part of what you have been saying for months. If monsters are created by people and people are created by people.... c'mon. You're smarter than that. Either there is hope or there isn't. Either there is grace or there isn't. If there is no hope and no grace, you're barking up a useless tree. If there is...... there is. Apparently monsters (people who are monsters) are created by people who seem not to have a choice in your world, and who have as their only option (because of their bad parenting) to parent their children badly and there is no hope, no escape. Indeed, no actual beauty or joy to life unless/until the cycle of harm is broken; but your visage does not allow the possibility of grace or change or learning, of any possibility of healing. For some bizarre reason I want to hum "Nothing comes from nothing, nothing ever could" <<But monsters are created by people. >> ========Original Message======== Subj: [lit-ideas] Re: The Monster is dead Date: 12/30/2006 6:52:15 P.M. Central Standard Time From: _aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) To: _lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) Sent on: When emotions are high, words don't necessarily make sense. Personally, I know he was a monster, among many monsters. But monsters are created by people. Children are turned into monsters. People only want blood and more blood, whether real or in video games or paint ball shoot outs or chess or whatever. Like Eric recommending more prisons, the way they have in Brazil, and Brian saying let's kill them all, meaning the terrorists. Brazil is hell on earth, one of many. And killing terrorists results in more terrorists. Why is it so hard to understand that violence begets violence? A witness to violence is a victim of violence. Why not create a world one wants to live in, by feeding hungry children instead of invading Lebanon? By teaching parenting? I know, I know, teach whose ethics, whose religion etc. etc. Nobody's ethics, nobody's religion, just good parenting. Why does it scare people so? Because they're afraid they'll have no hangings to watch and no wars to watch? No houses to bulldoze and no shock and awe to pride themselves on? Because they're afraid their children will no longer be their possessions? Who wants to be a possession? Do you want to be a possession? Too bad the human race is so in love with itself, even as they hate each other to death. -----Original Message----- >From: Paul Stone <pas@xxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Dec 30, 2006 7:04 PM >To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The Monster is dead > >At 04:22 PM 12/30/2006, you wrote: >>Sounds like you want emotions to make sense. Emotions don't have to >>make sense, they're outside the realm of cognitive. > >No I was commenting on the INANE comments that dozens of people were >making in the two hours before the inevitable and the hour after it. >They were just rambling on and on. The guy who witnessed the >execution -- apparently Saddam's friend -- said "it worked very >nicely" about the noose. Larry King asked Anderson Pooper "Do you >think this is rather Ghoulish?". The guy with no hand {weiskopf?} on >Anderson Cooper's show was spewing unbelievable non-sequiturs and >nonsense. I guffawed at least 12 times in three hours and I'm not a >sicko. The things these turds were saying were that ridiculous. They >were talking to talk. And AC's mock sincerity was absolutely >hilarious. It was REALLY like a parody of itself. > >p > > >_________________ >[insert pithy quote here] >Paul Stone >pas@xxxxxxxx >Leamington, ON. Canada > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, >digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html