[lit-ideas] Re: The Iran Charade
- From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:32:31 -0500
This isn't true, certainly not for me. I supported Afghanistan because
OBL's training camps were there. I thought Iraq was ridiculous from the
get go. Clearly Saddam was secular, the Annie Myelroie's book ridiculous,
etc. etc. I would bet that anyone who opposed the Iraq war did it on
primarily logical rational grounds.
> [Original Message]
> From: Eric Yost <eyost1132@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 1/19/2006 8:20:05 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The Iran Charade
>
> Judy: I read you, Eric, as saying that some of the
> opponents
> of the war who gave a non-pacifist reason for their
> opposition were in fact pacifists. And I think that
> is what you are saying. *And you have no proof*. If
> you mean that some who opposed the war but are not
> pacifists strongly dislike violence, well, I plead
> guilty. But so what?
>
> Eric: I am being clear as French Roast coffee here.
>
> Following Julie's notion of emotional manipulation
> with a notion that people adopt pro-war/anti-war
> views for nonrational reasons, I followed with the
> notion that people assemble ANY views--regardless
> of contradiction--to support their
> emotionally-motivated beliefs.
>
> Thus someone with no understanding of Maoism or
> grasp of Maoist ideology might cite a Maoist in
> furtherance of an antiwar position. Someone with
> no knowledge of Nietzsche might cite The Will to
> Power to further a pro-war position.
>
> Any ammo in a debate, whether it is consistent or
> makes sense.
>
> Part of this "any ammo" strategy is citing famous
> people to back claims. Thus a socialist would cite
> Einstein's book, although Einstein was no
> political thinker. Someone who hates the US might
> cite Pinter's speech, though Pinter's speech shows
> a misunderstanding of 20th century history.
>
> Further, reasons we give for any position (pro-war
> or anti-war) are often things gleaned out of
> context, chosen only because they support our
> emotionally-motivated convictions. People bring
> any ammo to a debate, whether it contradicts or not.
>
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