[lit-ideas] Re: Text of bin Laden Tape
- From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:44:23 -0500
Okay, let's cut the leadership some slack. It's all the people's fault that we
lost this war. Let's blame them instead. It wasn't Napoleon's fault that he
lost (or won). It was the French people, right? So let me get this straight.
This is a necessary war, but not an important one. Is that right? And kindly
point out the bothersome non sequiturs.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 1/20/2006 8:38:47 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Text of bin Laden Tape
You are giving me a headache with your non sequiturs. I didn?t discuss the
?importance,? but I do believe it is a necessary war. It can become more
important if we dilly dally and let them win more than we ought to let them
win. You have introduced several tangents which don?t seem important. We have
an implacable enemy. We may or may not be fighting him as enthusiastically as
we ought. From the fact that so many people want us to withdraw prematurely
from Iraq (to the delight of Osama) it is clear that millions don?t understand
the ?importance? of fighting this enemy. So perhaps the people you refer to
as not doing something right ought to be given some slack for not fighting them
as well as they might.
Lawrence
From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Andy Amago
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 5:25 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Text of bin Laden Tape
Well, if it was such an important war, why wasn't it fought more seriously?
Why did the Army have to laugh at their proposal and insist on a larger army
than what Rove & Co. wanted, and still be nowhere close to what was needed?
Why was there no plan for after Baghdad fell? Why did we go to war with the
army we had instead of the army we needed (a paraphrase)? Why cut taxes when
the money is needed for military spending to fund the army to fight this war
that we need so desperately? Yadda yadda. In short, why was it not waged as
if it was an important war? If you say it was the Democrats' fault, then
you're passing the buck. The Republicans run the show and he had everybody's
approval in any case.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 1/20/2006 8:13:44 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Text of bin Laden Tape
Thanks: It shouldnt be beyond you that I support this present war or compare
it to WWII, but I know where you get your info so Im not surprised that it is.
In WWII we were attacked by adherents of fascist philosophies who hoped to
conquer us. On 9/11 we were attacked by adherents of a fascist ideology who
hoped to conquer us. (And that wasnt the first attack or the first
declaration of war against us by adherents of this ideology.) Information
about the Fascist regimes of WWII was readily available to the curious.
Information about Islamist Fascist regimes and strategies is also available to
the curious.
Since I am not a pacifist I do not wish to be conquered by the Islamists. I
dont even want our nation to be attacked by them. Furthermore, since I have
been curious about the players I have spent a lot of time checking them out.
Iraq was an enormous impediment in the way of our war against the Islamists.
The war against Iraq has been a tremendous success in the war against the
Islamists. You of course wont have heard that yet, but you will.
Of course the Islamists are slippery devils ready to pull the wool over the
eyes of the unwary. See Andre Nusses Muslim Palestine as an example of how
they operate. The Islamists dont fit the Western preconception of Nation
States. Sayyid Qutb didnt believe in the separation of the ummah into
nations. This information is available to the curious and energetic.
Thus, since the Islamists have declared war against us, we who arent
pacifists, seek to oppose them. The Middle East, thanks to WWI and especially
the British and French is messy. They split the Middle East up in awkward
national groupings. The Islamists want to do away with all borders although as
Nusse indicates, local Islamist groups can support political factions that
provide them with some advantage. They can never settle for such agreements as
ultimate solutions, but they can agree to them keeping the word temporary in
the forefront of their thinking. Islamists function in and have agreements
with factions and regimes throughout the Middle East and in all Islamic
nations. Fighting them is going to be difficult. It is going to require
imagination. Alas, we shall probably get very very bloody before w e (as a
nation) acquire any.
Lawrence
From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Andy Amago
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:35 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Text of bin Laden Tape
Lawrence, welcome back! Glad to see that you're still supporting this war.
How you can compare this war to WWII is beyond me, but welcome back anyway.
It's good to see your post.
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