[lit-ideas] Re: Superman Returns
- From: "Judith Evans" <judithevans1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:09:14 +0100
The UK Age Discrimination Act becomes law later
this year. It's a bit difficult to say whether European
countries are better than America re ageism that
can't be covered by laws,
Judy
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From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 4:36 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Superman Returns
> [Original Message]
> > From: Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: 7/2/2006 6:07:29 AM
> > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Superman Returns
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Andy Amago <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > He also complains, appropriately, I think,
> > > that the characters are too young-looking for the
> > > part. They probably are, but that might be in
> > > large part because movies today are made with an eye
> > > toward world, rather than U.S. consumption. Most of
> > > the world (especially the developing world) are
> > > obsessed with youth. In a lot of the world, once
> > > you turn 30 you enter the realm of the living dead
> > > for the rest of your living dead life.
> >
> > *I find this rather puzzling. I would have thought
> > that it is the modern cultures that tend to emphasize
> > youth and physical looks, while traditional cultures
> > tend to place more value on maturity and social
> > accomplishments. This is no doubt a generalization but
> > I am still surprized that you would assert the
> > opposite with such certainty.
> >
>
>
>
> I would have thought the same, but it turns out that what I
would have
> thought is a failure of logic. I was at one time personally
acquainted
> with a quite number of Indians (I was taking a programming
course run by
> and pretty much for Indians, although there were some Americans
in it). To
> be sure, a lot of them were over 30 and quite alive and well.
But age was
> definitely a consideration. There was one girl in the class
(sample size
> of one, but not really), 25 years old, who considered herself
the "baby",
> literally used the word baby. She agonized at a birthday. The
instructor
> herself, who was probably about 35, claimed to be 25. And on
and on. It
> was kind of pathetic, actually. The very fact that Superman's
producers
> cast such young-looking actors, says it all. Note that Lois
Lane is now a
> single mom. I almost defy you (almost) to find a Hispanic
family of
> father, mother and children. Almost invariably it's mother and
children,
> no husband, and more than one father, even several fathers, for
her
> children. The new and improved Lois Lane is the reality; the
young Lois
> Lane is the societal construct. Note she's both young and with
a five year
> old child. That's reality the way it really is in a lot of the
world,
> including the changing U.S. with its illegal immigrants.
>
> I invite you to watch a Bollywood movie. Notice that all the
main actors
> are young, and white skinned (I have yet to see a white skinned
Indian; I
> don't know where they get them). The old actors are all normal
darker
> skinned. I don't remember if the bad guys were darker skinned
or not in
> the movie I saw recently. Back when taking the course, I was
invited to
> the home of one of the Indians (she had quite a nice home) and
her
> television was on with an Indian movie. It was virtually the
same thing,
> young white or light skinned actors. All their movies are
basically the
> same formula. In the movie I saw in my Indian friend's home,
there was
> also violence against women. That was absent in the Netflix
Bollywood I
> saw. Also, much of the developing world has a high birth rate,
so a lot of
> the population is in fact literally young, teenagers, as
Andreas pointed
> out. It's also my understanding that in India a lot of
Bollywood movies
> are what we would consider soft porn. Young women "clothed" in
see through
> saris, etc. (Wall Street Journal I think.)
>
> Europe might be a little better in terms of allowing people to
exist in
> time. Judy can tell us about England.
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