I have been doing serious research. Wondering what clause I missed in the wedding ceremony that said something like, "When you're a Dad your jobs will be thus and such..., also holding stuff," I checked with other Dads. They have the same experience--we do thus and such, little of which is apparently of consequence, but whenever a kid develops a surplus of some kind, in food or coats, or trophies, he or she runs up and says, "Here Dad, hold this." With the better type of kid there's also a "please," placed somewhere in the sentence, "Please, here Dad, hold this," or "Here, please Dad, hold this," and so on. The archives proved dusty as ever, but I can now report. It turns out that Russian or other Eastern Orthodox Dads are exempt. Jews and Muslims too, if knot.com is correct, on account of there being no actual exchange of vows. But Catholic or Protestant men...well it was right there in the ceremony, if we'd been paying attention, "to have and to hold from this day forward." Who knew? BTW, last week I discovered that crab are kosher. When we went out on Friday, we tried using a pig's leg as bait. In the same trap was a salmon's head and a piece of chicken. Result: crab all over the chicken and the fish; not a nibble on the pig. David Ritchie, Portland, Oregon------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html