[lit-ideas] Re: Social Darwinism or Darwinian Socialism?
- From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:28:01 -0500
Feel better, Stan? I'm glad. Nothing like a little condescension and
feelings of superiority to carry the day. Remind me again, why do we need
Israel?
> [Original Message]
> From: Stan Spiegel <writeforu2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 12/29/2005 11:53:22 AM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Social Darwinism or Darwinian Socialism?
>
> Hi Irene -
>
> Boyoboyoboy! You really think very little of humanity. What must have
> happened to you in your lifetime that makes you see only the dark side of
> things? (Or what's going on right now that accounts for that?) There's no
> light nor love nor joy in your perspective. Reminds me of Matthew
Arnold's
> Dover Beach:
>
> Ah love, let us be true
> to one another! For the world, which seems
> to lie before us like a land of dreams,
> so various, so beautiful, so new,
> hath really neither joy, nor love, nor light,
> nor certitude, nor peace, nor help from pain;
> and we are here as on a darkling plain
> swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight,
> while ignorant armies clash by night.
>
> I hope things get better. We have a new year rapidly approaching. I wish
you
> a happy new year..
>
> Stan
> Portland, ME
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:19 AM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Social Darwinism or Darwinian Socialism?
>
>
> > What a great achievement that humans can read. Wow. That their reading
> > does them not one whit of good is unmentioned. No love is required to
> > reproduce, only sex. Sex, money, food are what make humans "human".
> > Money
> > is used to buy food and sex. And some of us are appalled by WWII. Most
> > don't care about it or don't know about it except to glamorize it and
wish
> > they looked like G.I. Joe dolls. When it comes to being a successful
> > human, the lower the standards, the better.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> [Original Message]
> >> From: Mike Geary <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Date: 12/29/2005 10:36:09 AM
> >> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Social Darwinism or Darwinian Socialism?
> >>
> >> JMc:
> >> >Returning to Geary's original point. Social Darwinism is misnamed
> >>
> >> Yes, this was my point. One of two. There's no Darwinism in Social
> >> Darwinism. Hobbesianism is far more the apt term, I think. Stan
(whose
> >> views I agree with) and "Andy" use the term as it is often used, I was
> >> merely objecting to the use of Darwin's name in the term. There's
> > nothing
> >> Darwinian about Social Darwinism.
> >>
> >> Point two. I was objecting to "Andy's" insistence that most humans are
> >> stupid and evil and incapable of empathy. Many people have called me
> >> "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short," and they're probably right,
> > but
> >> that's never kept me from whistling the Ode to Joy. Humanity is not
> > stupid.
> >> Walk through any library and tell me humankind is stupid. Go to any
art
> >> museum or gallery and tell me that mankind is "stolid and stunned a
> > brother
> >> to the ox". Read this message on your computer and tell me we're
> > incapable
> >> of learning. Are we incapable of empathy? Some of us seem to be, but
> >> social living would be an impossibility if most of us were. There are
6
> >> billion people in the world. Somebody's doing some loving somewhere!
> > And
> >> caring for. And sacrificing for. And working for. The child rearing
> > may
> >> not meet "Andy's" standards, but we're getting there. We work through
> > time.
> >> Generation by generation. Change comes creeping slow. The point is we
> > are
> >> more the noble savage than we are Turnbull's Mountain People. 40
million
> >> people were killed in WWII, how could I make such a claim? I make it
> >> because we are appalled by that fact. We are not without caring,
neither
> > as
> >> individuals nor as a species. Are we there yet? No. It'll be a while
> > yet.
> >> Find something to amuse yourself. I'll tell you when we get there.
> >>
> >> Mike Geary
> >> Memphis
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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