[lit-ideas] Re: Snow is white, and Grass is green (Collected Papers by Tarski)
- From: Robert Paul <rpaul@xxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:36:12 -0800
Some time ago I wrote
I should have been clearer and asked for an example of an 'illogical'
statement that wasn't 'wrong.'
In response Andreas wrote
It took me a while to come up with the answer. Yes, there are examples
of statements that both illogical and correct.
These come of course from quantum physics, where the impossible is
possible. "A photon is a particle, not a wave, and a photon is a wave,
not a particle." That's illogical, but... it's correct.
Its illogicality alas escapes me. It isn't easy to construct a model
that has both wave and particle characteristics. It's known that in some
experiments light will appear wavelake while in others it will appear to
be made up of particles (the corpuscular theory). E.g., electron
diffraction appears to be best described by assuming that the electron
is a wave, and the photoelectric effect by assuming it's a particle. The
idea that two different but complementary notions are needed to deal
with quantum phenomena was first proposed by Bohr in 1927.
So, what we seem to have is that in certain experiments light behaves
one way and in others another way. The judge, who is entirely
disinterested rules that this is not an example of the type wanted,
but is rather analogous to the case of Jekyll/Hyde who exhibited one
sort of behaviour in certain settings and a different sort in different
settings but never both in the same setting.
Case dismissed and plaintiff ordered to stand the next round.
Robert Paul
Michelson-Morley Professor of Loose Ends
Mutton College
The problem isn't quantum mechanics. The problem is in logic.
complementarity The concept that a single model may not be adequate to
explain all the observations made of atomic or subatomic systems in
different experiments. For example, electron diffraction is best
explained by assuming that the electron is a wave (see de Broglie
wavelength), whereas the photoelectric effect is described by assuming
that it is a particle. The idea of two different but complementary
concepts to treat quantum phenomena was first put forward by the Danish
physicist Niels Bohr in 1927. See also light.
While it is not easy to construct a model that has both wave and
particle characteristics, it is accepted, according to the theory of
complementarity proposed by Neils Bohr, that in some experiments light
will appear wavelike, while in others it will appear to be corpuscular.
During the course of the evolution of wave mechanics it has also become
evident that electrons and other elementary particles have dual wave and
particle properties.
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I should have been clearer and asked for an example of an 'illogical' statement that wasn't 'wrong.'
These come of course from quantum physics, where the impossible is possible. "A photon is a particle, not a wave, and a photon is a wave, not a particle." That's illogical, but... it's correct.
The problem isn't quantum mechanics. The problem is in logic.