[lit-ideas] Re: See SAW

Do you want to argue that the Shiites didn't want our help, that we didn't
have Shiites urging us to depose Saddam Hussein - Shiites and Kurds? Are you
arguing that the largely Shiite government doesn't want our continued
support?  Of course you don't argue that because such an argument would be
insupportable.  Instead you throw out some pseudo-logic.

 

You argue something like the Abu Gharib argument: if some soldiers were
guilty of this abuse, the entire army was.  If some Shiites want to hurt
allied forces, they all do.  Did you and Irene study logic at the same
University?

 

Lawrence

 

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Lawrence writes...

 

> And that is not the situation in Iraq.  The Shiites and Kurds wanted our

> help in Iraq.  It is the defeated Baathist Sunnis who do not.

 

The Shiites want our help in Iraq? Last night, they shot down a British
helicopter in Basra. 

Read the following, how the Iraqi Shiite population reacted:

 

 

 

Iraqis Cheer Crash of British Helicopter

 

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A British military helicopter crashed in Basra on Saturday,
and Iraqis 

hurled stones at British troops and set fire to three armored vehicles that
rushed to the 

scene. Clashes broke out between British troops and Shiite militias, police
and witnesses 

said.

 

Police Capt. Mushtaq Khazim said the helicopter was apparently shot down in
a residential 

district. He said the four-member crew was killed, but British officials
would say only that 

there were "casualties."

 

British forces backed by armored vehicles rushed to the area but were met by
a hail of 

stones from the crowd of at least 250 people, who jumped for joy and raised
their fists as a 

plume of thick smoke rose into the air from the crash site.

 

The crowd set three British armored vehicles on fire, apparently with
gasoline bombs and a 

rocket-propelled grenade, but the soldiers inside escaped unhurt, witnesses
said.

 

British troops shot into the air trying to disperse the crowd, then shooting
broke out 

between the British and Iraqi militiamen, Khazim said. At least four people,
including a 

child, were killed and 31 wounded, he said. Two of the fatalities were
adults shot by 

British troops while driving a car in the area, Khazim said.

 

The crowd chanted "we are all soldiers of al-Sayed," a reference to radical
Shiite cleric 

Muqtada al-Sadr, an ardent foe of the presence of foreign troops in Iraq.

 

Later the crowd scattered after hearing explosion, but groups of men set
fire to tires in 

the streets and the situation remained tense. The chaotic scene was widely
shown on Iraqi 

state television and on the Al-Jazeera satellite station.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060506/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq;_ylt=AtkesifkB_CWrhE
HHobxuzUEtbAF;_ylu=X3oDMTBhZDJjOXUyBHNlYwNtdm5ld3M-

 

yrs,

andreas

www.andreas.com 

 

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