I just finished Taylor's second chapter. I see no reason at this point to see his "framework" as different from R. G. Collingwood's "Constellation of absolute presuppositions," but without really expanding upon it, satisfied with an example or two, he moves ahead; so I will too. His discussion of what comprises the Good Life, his second axis, is interesting. Our framework includes a standard of the good life; so we either progress toward it or fail to do so. We can feel satisfied and contented if we are making progress but depressed if we fall short. He doesn't pin down a specific framework so we can substitute our own. If we are Leftist and believe in the ultimate success of a world-wide Socialist revolution; then we will feel satisfied if we have done something to further that goal. On the other hand if we have given up on the possibility of such a revolution, perhaps we feel alienated and adrift. We can make no progress toward the "good life" contained in our framework. I mentioned the Socialistic framework first because I don't see how anyone with that framework could avoid being depressed and alienated, but perhaps there are little victories, like bad-mouthing of Bush on Lit-ideas, that keep one going. Another framework is the "Artistic." We have within us or fancy we might one day have within us the ability to create something valuable, beautiful, or significant. I recall the character, included in several novels the titles of which escape me, of the failed author. He had hoped to write the great American novel, but has become convinced over time that he hasn't the ability; so he lies about working on it and spends his time drinking. But there are other examples. Perhaps he does actually write some novels, but "great American" they are not. Frederick Faust wrote under the pseudonym Max Brand. His Westerns eclipsed Zane Grey's in popularity, but he wanted to write the great American novel. At age 51 and with a bad heart he became a War Correspondent during WWII and was killed in a hilltop village in Italy during a night attack by the Germans. I don't know this, but I thought his dissatisfaction with his art drove him to seek what he perceived to be a more meaningful existence. His Western Heroes were fearless fighters, but what was he - a hack writer. Why not get into the war and test his metal? Taylor also describes the Christian framework, but hints that modern Christians have more trouble with it than Luther did in his day. His Constellation of Presuppositions was indeed absolute. But the modern Christian may find difficulties in the proliferation of denominations since Luther's day, but if he does accept this framework in one of its denominational forms then he may very well be bewildered by the many modern challenges to it. Western Democracy grew out of his framework and its secularity has denounced and repudiated it. Notice the irrationality of what many of the European nations are doing: continuing to take a hostile stance toward the Christianity that gave birth to them while at the same time embracing or at least expressing greater tolerance for Islam. Taylor says there is a "Yes or No" involved in each framework. We must say "I believe" to it. Even if we say, "I believe, help thou my unbelief," we shall defend it against its detractors. We include ourselves among the Framework's members. Collingwood wrote that in a Constellation of Absolute Presuppositions, an adherent may not hold precisely the same presupposition as every other member, but none of his presuppositions may be precluded by the Constellation. One could not believe in Communism in the 30s, for example, and not believe in its ultimate victory over Capitalism. And one cannot adhere to any of the conservative Christian Frameworks and believe that Christ's resurrection was a myth. I can't help wondering what sort of Framework can be developed from what little I have read about Rorty. He avoided nihilism by only the barest bit of kindness. I can see that Nihilism or Rorty-Nihilism can demand a yea or a no, but what is the "good life," and how does one progress toward it? Perhaps a Rorty-Nihilist needs to invoke Omar Khayam's solution. Lawrence