[lit-ideas] Re: Religion
- From: Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 08:51:48 +0000 (GMT)
> So what ought we to call them?
> Christian jihadists? Or?
quite.
> Regarding the Ft. Hood massacre, the culprit repeatedly
> asked superiors to release him from having to treat soldiers
> who have killed Muslims. They did not do so. So
> is anyone else responsible besides the shooter?
I do think there was some negligence there, but of course it's easy to say that
with hindsight. Thornton is from that point of view a different case.
> In any case, very sad and none of this is all that
> clear. The The motivation of Thornton certainly
> isn't.
No. It isn't.
Though there is racism in the US, there seems
> to be a steady stream of immigrants from Africa anyway.
I hadn't realised the number had grown so greatly since the mid-Eighties. I
read that unfortunately, they are often unaware of the extent to which they
will be subject to the same stereotyping as African Americans are and also not
be accepted by some African Americans. But why they come is clear, European
countries to which they would, traditionally, have come have tightened their
immigration laws. And the situation in Africa is desperate, often, as the
actions of the Africans (who would never be accepted if they applied for entry)
who die in the attempt to get by sea to Europe show.
it would be good to add that he knew they had
> the tape showing the theft. Day in and day out people
> commit crime
I can't make this one out at all, I assume we will learn more.
Judy Evans, Cardiff
--- On Sat, 7/8/10, Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Religion
> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Saturday, 7 August, 2010, 2:24
> OK, I get it now. I looked up
> "sudden jihad syndrome" and it seems everyone has known
> about this at least since 2006. Except me. So,
> people pick up a gun and kill people in American cities
> numerous times in any 24 hour period. Mostly they are
> Christians. This includes robberies, rape involving a
> gun, drive by shootings for reason and no apparent reason
> that anyone can find. So what ought we to call them?
> Christian jihadists? Or?
>
> Regarding the Ft. Hood massacre, the culprit repeatedly
> asked superiors to release him from having to treat soldiers
> who have killed Muslims. They did not do so. So
> is anyone else responsible besides the shooter?
> In any case, very sad and none of this is all that
> clear. The motivation of Thornton certainly
> isn't. Though there is racism in the US, there seems
> to be a steady stream of immigrants from Africa anyway.
>
> I know you weren't trying to exonerate Thornton Judy.
> I just thought it would be good to add that he knew they had
> the tape showing the theft. Day in and day out people
> commit crimes knowing they will be on a tape. I don't
> get that. There must be an easier way to try to
> survive or get ahead or whatever they are thinking.
>
> Veronica
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Evans"
> <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 2:54 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Religion
>
>
>
> I am not, Veronica, seeking to minimise what Thornton did,
> to drum up sympathy for him, or anything remotely like that
> (he may deserve some sympathy, it is impossible to
> tell). I am trying to rebut Lawrence's view that
> Thornton is some kind of Jihadist, that his crime is an
> example of Islam's being a religion of hate, that it helps
> prove that, etc. I quote from the posts by Lawrence he
> linked to in posts here:
>
> "One report says the man who shot and killed 8 fellow
> workers and himself in a beer distribution plant was named
> Omar Thornton aka Thornton Omar Sharriff. Another case of
> Sudden Jihad Syndrome as in the Fort Hood massacre?" That's
> interesting I hadn't heard about the "Sudden Jihad Syndrome"
> before, but it shouldn't be surprising. Islamism encourages
> the killing of infidels so it isn't stretching the
> imagination too far to imagine Thornton, or Sharriff killing
> two birds with one stone. He could kill some of the
> coworkers and bosses who pissed him off and get Allah to
> bless his actions because those guys were infidels. Time to
> rush off and get those virgins."
>
> and
>
> "
> --- Now as to Omar Thornton and his rampage that killed
> nine people. Many, like the military at Fort Hood don't want
> to use the "I" word. They don't want to associate Omar
> Thornton with Islam even though he converted to Islam and
> some documents show that he changed his last name to
> Sharrif. Omar's friends say he was reacting to racist
> criticism. He overheard the "N" word while he was in a rest
> room. It wasn't said directly to him but he heard it and
> that was enough to set off his sensitive soul. His company
> says that wasn't it. He was caught stealing. He was angry
> about being caught on tape and that is what caused him to
> get mad and kill 9 people.
>
> And just as at Fort Hood and other places, the politically
> correct don't want to associate Omar Thornton with Islam.
> They don't want to hear that he might have been inspired to
> do his killing by something he heard (not overheard) at his
> Mosque."
>
>
> Judy Evans, Cardiff
>
>
>
> On Fri, 6/8/10, Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Religion
> > To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Date: Friday, 6 August, 2010, 19:32
> > To be totally accurate, the company
> > didn't just accused him, they had video tapes of his
> > stealing the beer. At least, that's the news we get
> > here. Re racism in the phone call to police officer,
> > there is racism and discrimination in this country
> > galore. Against African Americans, Muslims, the
> > "wrong" type of Christians, Jews, women, etc. That is
> > no excuse for killing people. Even worse, he killed,
> > before he sought other remedies open to him. No
> > sympathy for this guy here. He was really upset that
> > he got caught stealing and now was to pay the price.
> > In this economy, anyone who has a job and jeopardizes
> it, is
> > already a little off.
> >
> > Veronica
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Evans"
> <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:55 AM
> > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Religion
> >
> >
> > " In any case, young Muslims blowing
> > things up or shooting their coworkers is "
> >
> > we don't know, Lawrence, why Omar Thornton did it. We
> do
> > know he'd been called in for a disciplinary meeting
> and
> > sacking was a possible outcome. We do know that his
> > girlfriend and family members said he had complained
> of
> > racism. and we have his very own words in the tape
> posted on
> > the Hartford Courant website and reported here
> >
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/06/nyregion/06shooting.html
> >
> >
> >
> > Judy Evans, Cardiff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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